On 18/10/19 12:39 am, Clocky wrote:
It is indeed. I don't see how *I'm snookered* when I'm not in possession of a *subject outline* for a course I undertook 37 years ago. I have the relevant Diploma and the list of subjects passed, that is all. Why would I keep anything more? I didn't even keep the yearbooks, of which I had six (81-86), beyond being conferred.
I do like how the Grumpy is telling everyone what subjects a DipTT would include. Shows just how little he knows about teaching and teacher training, especially in the trade area. For instance, a person doing a BEd, the full one of 4 years, will study two general aspects - teaching method and subject method, my method area being automotive, more specifically motor mechanics. Of that 4 years, approx. one year will be teaching method, the remainder will be subject method. As a trainee technical teacher, the entry requirement was an apprenticeship and an equivalent period post apprenticeship - 8-10 years total. That 10 years formed the bulk of my subject method requirement, 80% or better. That meant the bulk of my two years full time was focused on teaching method. Any subject method training was focused on *advanced trade training* which is why the course at Caulfield focused on metallurgy. Rest assured, an understanding of metallurgy rendered the teaching of welding much easier since you have a broader range of expertise upon which to draw. Even the welding skills training I had at Caulfield was at an advanced level, I learnt some fancy stuff. After all, I already had basic welding training and experience well covered during my apprenticeship and beyond. Completion of the first two years full time at Hawthorn entitled me to the CertTT. The expectation was that trainees would enter teaching already in possession of an Automotive Technicians Certificate or an engineering equivalent like the Certificate of Technology. Most trainees had this and that meant they *immediately qualified* for the DipTT at the same time as they qualified for the CertTT. The Technicians Certificate wasn't a thing outside of Victoria and I had only a couple of subjects of the CoT from Launceston. That meant I needed another 36 points of advanced trade subjects to graduate with my DipTT and these I completed at Hawthorn part time over the next 4 years and graduated in
- That put me 4 years behind on the pay scale advancement.
After all his time at a Uni, Grumpy still can't see that, when teaching at a particular level, the teacher needs to have qualifications at least one level *above*. That is fairly general in education worldwide. if you want to lecture at Uni at undergraduate level, you require, in general, at least a Masters. Course outlines in a yearbook don't give you the full picture.