NBN 1Gbps.???

**That reminds of a question I asked a long time ago:

"What on Earth will I do with 20MB of storage?"

I have little doubt that the ends of the system will be enhanced to match the pipes. Not this year. Maybe not next year, but certainly in the very near future.

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Where are the ends of the system. Will the undersea cables out of Australia be upgraded, and if so who will pay for the upgrading. Or will NBNco build us a new mega fast cable to the US.

**There are servers within Australia.

**Not absolutely necessary. The US is not the repository of all human knowledge, much as many of the inhabitants think it does.

You need to think outside the box. The needs for a high speed internet connection in the near future may not be the same as they are now. Here's a few random probabilities:

• Your local video store will U/L the video you want in a few seconds. No need to drive down the road to collect what you want, subscribe to Foxtel and wait for their programming department or wait hours to obtain it via a torrent source.

• Home video communication will be a reality.

• Video conferencing will alter business.

• Etc.

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Well Trevor, the way everything is written today, at a pinch, you may be able to add two numbers together. I remember writing meaningful programs in less than 3FFHex bytes.

Reminds me of Bill Gates saying around 1980 (XT days), "Who could possibly use more than 640K of ram?"

I think the mistake that was made was not stating that the pipe is capable of

1Gbps. Yes it will be years before the rest catches up, and when it does, it may well be time for a bypass operation.

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**"Years"? I doubt that very much. Demand for services will push the whole thing along. No demand = no development of product. If the demand exists, then product will be developed to match it. 1 Gbps network interfaces are very common. It would seem that it is not a huge stretch to expect that interfaces to a 1Gbps fibre is not too difficult to manage.

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Will an individual server be capable of servicing many customers at once, at this speed (1Gbps), in the near future Trevor?

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**That would depend on the particular farm, wouldn't it? If, say, a movie supplier was set up to provide movies to consumers, it would not be a stretch for them to set up their system to provide such speeds.

Do you REALLY believe that 1Gbps is beyond the abilities of suppliers within the next few years?

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A video farm?

1 customer at 1Gbps? 100+ customers at 1Gbps? 1000+ customers at 1Gbps? More?

This may be a big ask in the foreseeable future.

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Look at it from the customers viewpoint. Do they really require delivery at that speed? IMU current highest quality movies require 8Gb which will take eight seconds to deliver. So allowing 10secs per movie, roughly 720 customers could receive the movie in the two hour time it takes to play on a 1GBps pipe from the supplier.

The internet currently has the technology(multicast) built in to supply the same signal to as many of more customers at the same time. It is just a matter of receiving software and probably upgrading some intermediate boxen (if that).

Let's have a look at the current world wide bandwidth stats:

South Korea has the best figures in the world:

which is 32.22 Mbps.

I feel the biggest bottleneck will be disk I/O speeds, but they will get much better over a period of time as SSD technology takes over.

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**Server farm.

**Easy.

**Peak speeds of 1Gbps? Sure.

**Peak speeds of 1Gbps? Sure.

**Very likely, yes.

**Really? What's the bandwidth of fibre? 500THz? Higher? There is considerable room for growth in a fibre network over the next few decades.

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alone have a network, and an individual PC

waiting 10 times as long!

All new computers have gigabit ethernet. The NBN is up to 100Mbs, or 0.1Gbps.

Although I am no fan of Billy the Goat (Bill Gates), I have to say that according to the Wikiquotes site relative to Bill Gates I find this purported attribution being refuted this wise under the heading Misattributed:

• 640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Often attributed to Gates in 1981. Gates considered the IBM PC's 640kB program memory a significant breakthrough over 8-bit systems that were typically limited to 64kB, but he has denied making this remark. Also see the 1989 and 1993 remarks above. I've said some stupid things and some wrong things, but not that. No one involved in computers would ever say that a certain amount of memory is enough for all time =E2=80=A6 I keep bumping into that silly quotation attributed to me that says 640K of memory is enough. There's never a citation; the quotation just floats like a rumor, repeated again and again.

Following is a link to the actual page:

They forgot to add the bandwidth equivalent of "PMPO". When you specify "up to" you absolve your responsibility of actually supplying that much.

Remember when Telstra was advertising their 12Mbit wireless USB dongles a while back? Before they even upgraded their network equipment that was capable of that?

I have doubts at all with the infrastructure they'll be serving out will actually be capable of 1Gb/s AT ALL. After all, when they say "up to", they're allowed to leave out the test conditions of a single user per server. Entirely unrealistic under normal use, but they're not lying because they meet their test conditions.

Too bad the general population have no clue about what to ask, to call them on their bluff...

As I was told by a Marantz sales rep some time back when quizzing him on the usefulness of their 256 times oversampling CD player.

"People don't buy CD players, they buy numbers".

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alone have a network, and an individual

Yes, no one ever said anything about a download speed of 1Gbps.

says Gillard is also offering the

What do you expect from the today show ?

pushing Gillard as bringing in the filter,

Conroy isnt saying that.

Server disk I/O will be fine and there is always solid state. Priced any ramm chips lately.

Additionally, server farms are real old technology.

The company that I work for make big storage servers. By big I mean hundred to thousands of drives in a box. The drives can range from SSDs, to 15K rpm fibre channel, to 7.2K rpm SATA drives depending on the the required speed of access to the data. Each box is capable of servicing up to 64 1 gig ethernet or 4 gig fibre channel connections simultaneously. You just stripe your data across many drives and put in a big cache (up to 256 gig of mirrored RAM).

The problem with how people look at the NBN is that they only consider home PCs, but business will be the main beneficiary.

its future proof

and its just not computers but TV's will be a big user...... instead of going to a video store you will be able hire over the net and watch whilst downloading

the last thing we would want is a system that will be maxed out as soon as it starts

Yes, but the home users are going to be paying for it too, remember? Once you factor in network contention (not supplimenting the existing fibre) it's going to run nominally a bit faster that what it is now.

And I should hope so, after all, we're going to pay a bucketful for it...

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