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**Quite so. Sorry for my mis-reading of your words. I wonder why so many conservatives understand so little about science?
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ROFL.

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terryc

** ROFL, indeed:

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"As of 2011, the cost of PV has fallen well below that of nuclear power and is set to fall further. The average retail price of solar cells as monitored by the Solarbuzz group fell from $3.50/watt to $2.43/watt over the course of 2011.[43]

For large-scale installations, prices below $1.00/watt were achieved. A module price of 0.60 Euro/watt (0.78 $/watt) was published for a large scale 5-year deal in April 2012. [44] In some locations, PV has reached grid parity, which is usually defined as PV production costs at or below retail electricity prices (though often still above the power station prices for coal or gas-fired generation without their distribution and other costs). Photovoltaic power is also generated during a time of day that is close to peak demand (precedes it) in electricity systems with high use of air conditioning. More generally, it is now evident that, given a carbon price of $50/ton, which would raise the price of coal-fired power by 5c/kWh, solar PV will be cost-competitive in most locations. The declining price of PV has been reflected in rapidly growing installations, totaling about 23 GW in 2011. Although some consolidation is likely in 2012, due to support cuts in the large markets of Germany and Italy, strong growth seems likely to continue for the rest of the decade. Already, by one estimate, total investment in renewables for 2011 exceeded investment in carbon-based electricity generation.[43]"

And:

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When they get it to produce power at night, it might make a difference ;)

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Taking a look, most are to control, spy on the public, or otherwise to be used against them.

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kreed

**Fortunately, that problem has already been dealt with:

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against them.

**I take it, then, that you don't use RF networking for your computer?

That said: The achievements of CSIRO have been far reaching and considerable. Those who seek to belittle CSIRO are nothing but morons.

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Correct, it is a security risk.

Like twice letting viri escape from their research island and thus rendering it far less effective.

Like defining a "treatment"as safe so long as it does not affect commercial crops/livstock and bugger the rest f our native plants/animals/etc.

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terryc

Oh dear, the "authority" of wikipedia is omnipotent.

Lol, the wholesale price of chinese crap.

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terryc

**Accidents will happen in even the best run organisations. Remind me: How many accidents have we seen from Orica in the past few years?

In any case, the failure of a containment system says nothing about the brilliance of the science that is conducted at CSIRO.

**That would be your strawman. We're discussing how many extraordinary developments have come form CSIRO.
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**Not at all. Wikipedia can offer some very impressive information though. Feel free to provide your information that disproves my source. I'll wait.
**Nonetheless, the cost is rapidly falling. Just as the quality is improving. Disregarding Chinese PV cells is not unlike disregarding Japanese electronics and automobiles back in the 1960s.
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Brilliant? exactly what science was involved in the RF stuff? Hint, it was almost all engineering. Tesla did the science over a century ago.

Lol, no, that is YOUR strawman otherwise it would be like discussing the wonderful range of chemicals provided by Orica for modern life without also considerng the leaks, spills and mass pollution around Botany Bay.

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terryc

Yep, any fool can post stuff.

Where are the new factories that will continue this price drop? Where is the "free market" economics that fuels the demand?

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terryc

Its all he has. There is nothing else he can say, Note the repetition.

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kreed

The bankster and corporate filth that control most governments (and invaded and bomb ones they dont). You are really serious - you think a government actually gives a damn about you ? tells the truth, or does the right thing ???

Bush turned in the end, and that was predicted in advance. So did Howard, but that was manufactured public pressure. People have woken up a lot since those days

see above

according to their paymasters. LOL to the rest of it. What rubbish, it defies reality.

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kreed

**Indeed. ALL I have is the overwhelming and utterly irrefutable bulk of good, solid science. You, OTOH, have all those politicians, talk-back radio hosts and religious nutters. Those guys always tell the truth.

NOT!

Yikes!

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I don't listen to Alan Jones, he is not broadcast where I live. We don't ha= ve a radio or TV at the workplace. If it really turns you on, I will try an= d download some of his stuff if possible and give an opinion.

Politicians, I think they are a crock of shit, especially Julia Gillard I doubt very much that Im alone or in the minority in that opinion. I woul= d not take them at their word, Gillard has proven this in spades to the pub= lic in the last 2 years.

I practially never watch TV (unless Im in someone else's place, or a public= place where it is on and I cannot avoid it, I usually don't listen to radi= o unless under the circumstances above. These days I prefer silence, rather= than listening to people trying to sell me crap I don't need, and music th= at seems such rubbish these days.

As for Abbott I can't stand the man, but am faced with little choice but to= vote for him, as we need to be rid of this carbon tax, and Gillard especia= lly if Australia is to get anywhere. For alternatives Labor and greens are= out, and after seeing Oakshott, wilkie et al sell us out, and shit all ove= r public opinion on carbon, I wouldnt trust independents, so who do I vote = for ? Tell me that.

As for the papers, same. They are useless for real info

I do not listen to Pell, I would not know who he was even if I saw him on T= V.=20

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a radio or TV at the workplace. If it really turns you on, I will try and download some of his stuff if possible and give an opinion.

not take them at their word, Gillard has proven this in spades to the public in the last 2 years.

place where it is on and I cannot avoid it, I usually don't listen to radio unless under the circumstances above. These days I prefer silence, rather than listening to people trying to sell me crap I don't need, and music that seems such rubbish these days.

vote for him, as we need to be rid of this carbon tax, and Gillard especially if Australia is to get anywhere. For alternatives Labor and greens are out, and after seeing Oakshott, wilkie et al sell us out, and shit all over public opinion on carbon, I wouldnt trust independents, so who do I vote for ? Tell me that.

The shooters party.

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You are wasting your time responding to the bot who just sprounts unscientific dogma.

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terryc

**You're right. I shouldn't waste my time with you idiots. Even those who dwell on typos, whilst committing their very own typos. Hypocritical idiots.

How about presenting some science to back your claims, that the following organisations are all wrong?

CSIRO The Australian Academy of Science BoM NASA The US EPA The US National Academy of Sciences American Meteorological Society IPCC The UK Met The European Academy of Sciences and Arts The Royal Society of New Zealand The Royal Society of the UK American Association for the Advancement of Science American Chemical Society American Institute of Physics American Physical Society Australian Institute of Physics European Physical Society European Foundation Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies

We're waiting.

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