Am I misremembering?

MiniLab power supplies were a good source of HV above 200 volts and were often used to charge up the caps.

At one stage pagers were all the go. Keith Perry had a pet hate for them, especially if they went off in his class. In one of his classes there were so many interruptions from the beeping pagers he decided he had to get the message across that the constant interruptions from the beeping wasn't appreciated. So he talked to one of the guys from sales and acquired a pager.

At the beginning of the day he asked all the students who had pagers with them to switch them off. Knowing full well most would not he arranged with one of the other instructors to ring his pager. As soon as the pager beeped he ripped it off his belt and took to it with hammer, smashing it to bits on the table in front of the students, muttering something on the lines "... I bloody hate these pager thingies..." As one can imagine, all the students who had pagers on them immediately checked to make sure their pagers were turned off.

Now of course Keith wouldn't have really smashed his pager to bits - he actually did it to a dummy display model he got from the sales guys. His own pager which did go off was safe inside his pocket. Never the less it had a lasting effect. The word quickly got around not to bring your pager into Keith's classes for fear it may suffer a similar fate. If only I could achieve such success with mobile phones. :-(

Cheers, Alan

You need a jack hammer!

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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:38:16 +0900, "Alan Rutlidge" wrote: :>

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:> :> I wouldn't mind grabbing it off you to add to my collection of :> :> memorabilia.... :> : :> :How many metres or feet of it do you want Ross? :> : :> : :>

:> Not the 2pr cable - I have heaps of that already. : :Sorry, obviously the anti-tinkle module. When if dig it out you are welcome :to have it. : :Cheers, :Alan :

OK, email me and we'll sort out the cost.

Ross

Actually a small ball pien hammer will probably do the trick. The problem is the student is likely to sue you for punative damages as well as the cost of the mobile phone. :-( Oh what a sheltered world it is that we live in. In the good ol' days you could simply confiscate an offending item until class was over or send the student out of the room to reconsider their situation, but not these days. Politcal correctness and all that rot taken to its extreme. :-(

True, but the jack hammer would get their attention, and make enough noise that they couldn't use their cell phones, without destroying them. Too bad the greenies got the freon powered sports horns outlawed. :(

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In Australia? Sure was. Furthermore, without being a registered cabler you still are not permitted to tamper with phone wiring in your house beyond plugging in permitted accessories with the Austel certification or equivalent. The fine is $AU1,200. I've only heard of it being applied to sparkies doing telco work without the training and registration. However, it's the only penalty the ACMA had on the books last I heard (a couple of years back). BTW, 10% GST is applicable to the fine so it's $1,320 out of your pocket if you ever get done!

John

Hmm so what good or service do they claim to be providing to the culprit.

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I suggest that if anyone tries adding GST to any fines they consult a tax accountant; a fine is not about paying consideration for provision of an agreed good or service.

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An essential requirement of a taxable supply is that the supply is made for consideration.F2 GSTR 2001/4 explains that, for there to be a supply for consideration, three fundamental criteria must be met: · there must be a supply, · there must be a payment, and · there must be sufficient nexus between the supply and the payment for it to be a supply for consideration.F3

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unless of course some forbearance is involved; i.e if you pay this fine we won't proceed with prosecution... or if you pay the fine Telstra agree not to impose some greater penalty - the payment is not just a fine but provides some other consideration.

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Yeah, I pondered that but got the info from an instructor first hand while doing a registered cabler course. I've since seen the fine cited in the media as $1,320 (without separate mention of tax) so that kinda confirms it. As far as I can figure, it's not actually a fine. And it's not imposed by Telstra either. It's a fee by the ACMA for their services in managing this industry self-regulation. Doublespeak...

Yeah, I reckon it's a fine line (pun intended) but just don't get sprung to test it. If they were to hit you with it, I suspect you'll be kicking and screaming like a stuck pig - but still done like bacon regardless of what you pay for your legal advice...

John

I see:

page 9 you are totally right.

"ACMA has issued an on-the-spot fine to a telecommunications cabler working without a current registration. Doing any cabling work that involves connection to the telecommunications network without a cabler registration is against the law. During an investigation into a complaint about non-compliant cabling work, a routine check of the cabler's registration revealed that it lapse. The cabler was issued a telecommunications infringement notice, incurring an on-the-spot fine of $1,320."

and

"ACMA cracks down on shoddy cabling work

The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has at last taken some action against poor work practices in the customer cabling sector. It has issued its first infringement notice against a cabler whose work did not comply with the standards set out under the Cabling Provider Rules (CPRs). The cabler, who in fact was not even registered, will face a penalty payment of $1320.

Despite well recognised compliance problems in the customer cabling sector, the ACMA has been reluctant in the past to impose penalties on individual cablers who are often being driven to take short cuts by their employers or by the pressures of the sub-contracting business. ACMA has preferred to use its powers to require cablers to make good faulty work rather than fine them. Unfortunately this has led some in the industry to see ACMA as a "toothless tiger".

The CEPU recognises the pressures that individual cablers face in today's industry. But the union also believes that protection of standards and skills in the industry is in its members' best interests. Non- compliant work represents a safety issue for all those who work on telecommunications networks, both customer cablers and field technicians. And no-one except the employer gains when skills are downgraded in the industry."

and

What happens if I do not comply with the Telecommunications Act or the CPRs? ACMA has a range of options available. ACMA may simply issue a formal warning notice to the cabler, issue a non-compliance notice to the telecommunications carrier (who may disconnect dangerous cabling from the network), issue a telecommunications infringement notice to the cabler (this is an on-the-spot fine of $1,320), or if the matter is serious enough, ACMA can take court prosecution action with the cabler. A court prosecution may result in a conviction and/or a fine of up to $13,200.

For example, if you are an unregistered cabler who is not properly supervised or if the work performed does not comply with the Wiring Rules it is a criminal offence and you could face an on-the-spot fine of $1,320, or if court action is taken, the fine can be up to $13,200. "

Most importantly the explanation for the GST charge is in the Act that underpins the Telco Providers rules here

$file/Tele1997_WD02.doc

Is a payment in consideration (penalty) payable instead of prosecution so the offender agrees to pay in consideration of them not prosecuting so they can charge GST. The culprit gets off being prosecuted by agreeing to pay the penalty.

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434 Offence in relation to contravening condition

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person is the holder of a cabling licence that authorises the performance of a particular type of cabling work; and

(b) the person performs cabling work of that type; and

(c) the performance of that work contravenes a condition to which the licence is subject.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

Note 1: See also sections 4AA and 4B of the Crimes Act

1914.

Note 2: See also Division 13 of this Part (which deals with the payment of penalties as an alternative to prosecution).

(2) A person is guilty of an offence if:

(a) the person is the holder of a cabling licence that authorises the performance of a particular type of cabling work; and

(b) the person engages in conduct; and

(c) the result of the person's conduct is a failure to take all reasonable steps to ensure that cabling work of that type performed under the person's supervision does not contravene the conditions of the licence.

Penalty: 100 penalty units.

Note 1: See also sections 4AA and 4B of the Crimes Act

1914.

Note 2: See also Division 13 of this Part (which deals with the payment of penalties as an alternative to prosecution).

(3) In this section:

engage in conduct means:

(a) do an act; or

(b) omit to perform an act.

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Division 13-Penalties payable instead of prosecution

453A Penalties payable instead of prosecution

(1) The regulations may make provision in relation to enabling a person who is alleged to have committed an offence of a kind referred to in the following table to pay to the Commonwealth, as an alternative to prosecution, a penalty of an amount worked out in accordance with subsection (2).

(2) The amount of penalty payable to the Commonwealth under regulations made for the purposes of subsection (1) in respect of an offence is determined using the following table:

Penalties payable

Item Alleged offence Penalty for individual Penalty for body corporate

1 subsection 399(1) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 2 subsection 411(2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 3 subsection 413(2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 4 subsection 414(2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 5 subsection 415(2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 6 subsection 416(2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 7 subsection 417(2) 6 penalty units 30 penalty units 8 subsection 420(2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 9 subsection 421(4) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units 10 subsection 434(1) or (2) 12 penalty units 60 penalty units

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