smallest wired keyboard?

Apple saved 6.5 billion dollars alone, and made many billions more JR.

I guess facts don't play any role in the iKook's imaginary belief systems.

This thread? Has the shitbag ever stated a single fact in any thread?

I'm going to give you one more of these kindergarten no-content completely childish always non technical responses before I plonk you "Hank Rogers".

One more. And then plonk. No warning. Just plonk.

If you can't ever contribute as an adult to the actual topic, then plonking you _improves_ the value of the conversation here on this newsgroup.

One more. Then plonk.

Before I said the iKooks in this thread were: a. Alan Baker (everyone has him plonked as he cannot add value) b. nospam (most people keep him as he "can" add value c. Jolly Roger (filled with kindergarten hateful vitriol)

And now, we have Jolly Roger's twin in kindergarten hate-filled vitriol: d. Lewis

For those who don't know, Lewis & Jolly Roger _hate_ every fact about Apple because the facts _hurt_ them deeply since they _believe_ everything Apple told them.

I liken both of them to the fifth grade bully who was held back a few years, when someone who is years younger in the same grade tells him Santa isn't real.

Lewis: Santa exists. He's gonna give me an iPhone for Christmas. Child: That's just a marketing gimmick. Your parents are Santa. Lewis. No. I hate you! He exists! I saw him on an Apple advertisement. Child: That's how marketing works, Lewis. Don't believe Apple ads.

Lewis: Liar! Liar! Pants on fire! Apple said it. It must be true! What Jolly Roger does is call all facts trolls; and what Lewis does is call all people who tell them facts, "shitbags". Just watch.

You can ask _why_ facts are so scary to these people but if you understand the Santa analogy, the fact alone _destroys_ their cuddly belief systems.

They not only hate the facts - but they hate the mere messenger of facts. Just watch.

You seem to be able to see things like they truly are.

I agree with you that the iKooks (Jolly Roger, nospam, Alan Baker, et. al), own completly imaginary belief systems fed to them directly by Apple.

They are _desperate_ to maintain those imaginary belief systems. The problem is that facts instantly _destroy_ imaginary belief systems.

Unless.... ... ... ... ...

Unless they _deny_ that the facts exist. Then... ... ... ... ...

Then they can maintain their imaginary belief systems intact.

You understand them well.

They believe _everything_ Apple feeds them to believe. It never occurs to them that the narrative is the same.

For example, Apple fed them that it was the chemistry of batteries that made them secretly throttle certain iPhones on certain iOS versions and then that chemistry made Apple secretly cover it up by backdating edited release notes.

It doesn't even _occur_ to the iKooks that it can't possibly be that Apple has a special battery chemistry that only works on a certain iOS version and that only works on certain iPhones with that certain iOS version.

These iKooks like nospam believe whatever Apple feeds them to believe.

You are astute.

There is a lot that is Orwellian about these iKooks, who, in this thread, are the triad of Alan Baker, Jolly Roger & nospam - where everyone has Alan Baker plonked, and most plonk Jolly Roger - but nospam has some technical acumen when it's not related to defending everything Apple says and does, to the death, no matter what.

You appear to be well read.

You are correct that their own self esteem is in the toilet (rightly so), hence they derive a large portion of their self esteem from what Apple feeds them, much like the ArtStudents you speak of.

They actually _believe_ every excuse Apple feeds them (e.g., it's "courageous") each time the iPhone loses its standard basic functionality.

Here's where I beg to differ as both Alan Baker and Jolly Roger I assess to own a 40 IQ based on their almost total inability to comprehend the subject matter and on their responses always being at about the kindergarten level.

As for nospam, he's at least double that IQ (still well below normal), which I base on the fact that nospam _can_ comprehend the basic technical facts.

Where nospam shows he is substandard in IQ is his lack of an _adult_ response to facts he has no defense to, other than to deny them outright.

That's why, for example, you saw nospam claim what he does about the 3.5mm jack and the FM radio, where he has no _adult_ response to the facts.

If he were of at least average intelligence, his response would be different than simply denying that anyone would ever want what is, in effect, the most standard of the most common of the most basic of common functionality.

Well, you do have a point.

When we covered the insecure nature of the iPhone, they constantly spewed the advertising that Apple fed them, instead of thinking for themselves.

They lack the basic adult ability of independent thought processes, is what I'm hearing you say; is that right?

Here again you seem to completely understand how Apple has them on a leash!

They latch on to the loss of the 3.5mm jack as being "courageous", so they themselves feel so very courageous when they strut about with their iPhone that is missing the functionality.

Apple took away the functionality and made them feel _brave_ about doing it.

We ran a study a few years ago showing almost all consumer electronics gets better, faster, and cheaper over time ... except ... Apple products.

The reason is MARKETING of that "shiny thing" creates a demand in these impressionable people you speak of - which drives up the prices.

I think you understand them well in calling them incurable neanderthals. The three that are in this thread are nospam, Jolly Roger & Alan Baker.

Hey, no fair! I just think you're a real funny guy. Sort of like don rickles. It's a hoot when you get all the ikooks worked up. And I love your book pics. You should be on stage!

Well, they might hate you, but I like you. I really enjoyed the latest gallery of book photos you posted.

You're assumng there's a nearby hotspot for which they have the password. At home, you pay your ISP for your own wifi (unless you're leeching off your neighbour). It's not free - or always available.

Not as few as you might think. Two days a week I work at an office out in the country which has no cell coverage. FM radios work fine there, though.

Depends on where you are. Cell companies take great pains to ensure good coverage along major highways, even out in the sticks. Go a few miles on either side and the situation can be very different.

That's just a lie.

nospam is wrong of course™.

When you're in a place with Wi-Fi you're also likely at a place with a computer (at work) or a radio with good speakers and a good antenna (at home or in the car).

The FM radio on smart phones is used in other situations and when you're not on Wi-Fi, and sometimes when there's no cell coverage.

people stream on their phone because that's where their streaming apps are, which would likely be prohibited on a work computer.

they can also listen to it on external speakers if they want, in a car or at home. not so much at work, unless they have a private office.

no antenna can receive stations from more than about 50 miles away, the limit for terrestrial radio.

the fm radio on phones is almost never used, by anyone.

it's a checklist feature for the stupids.

bogus argument. an isp is used for far more than just radio streaming and it's almost always available. it's possible it might drop once in a while, but that's just life. nothing is 100% guaranteed, not even radio stations.

that's a rare exception. it's anecdotal and not representative of the rest of the world.

except that in those sticks, there aren't very many radio stations, if any, and whatever might be available is almost certain to not be of interest.

another problem is if you do happen to find a good station, you will quickly drive out of its range.

btdt.

you're actually making the point for cellular streaming, where it works on the highways and can stream stations from anywhere in the world.

it's irrefutable proof that you're incredibly clueless, among other things.

except that's not what you said yesterday.

accord> My assembly language coding was back in the 70's on the 1130/370's and my

There you go again with your delusional bullshit that because YOU do something (or claim you do) then EVERYONE does it.

Radio. Yes, I remember radio, it was something I listened to a lot in the late 70s and 80s. It is also something I have not listened to since

Some people still listen to the radio, but only in their cars during their commute. Most people do not. No one with the slightest sense would listen to the radio on their phone when they have gigibytes of music on it and millions of songs on their streaming service, as well and countless hours of podcasts covering every possible topic imaginable, and quite a few more besides.

Easy way to check this is the cratering of audience ratings for radio.

Businesses use Pandora, people use Spotify or Apple Music. No one is using the radio.

Arlen desperately wants people to ignore the fact that he had to dig deep down in Settings to even find that message - a message he is perfectly free to ignore. He actually believes the people reading his useless trolls are too stupid to realize this - because he is that stupid. ; )

Not only is not representative, it is f****ng weird. If your employees who deal with the outside world are not available on their mobiles, that is going to hurt your business quite a bit.

I have a good friend who works in logistics. He has an office and supervises a team of about 25, and about 60% of his calls come in on his work mobile phone. Why? Because the people he has to deal with are more likely to be able to reach him wherever he is on that number than on the office phone, and no one wants to all two numbers.

It's a weird business in 2022 that can be located somewhere with no cell coverage.

You would be surprised.

Many industrial sites have either large levels of interference, are covered in enough metal to prevent external mobile signals penetrating or are simply in one of the many places where coveragee is patchy at best. Fortunately phones equipped with wifi calling can use the internet to make calls

Lewis is wrong of course™.

In urban areas it would be rare to not have coverage, though often, even in urban areas when you're deep inside a big box store you'll lose coverage.

In rural areas there are often businesses with no, or poor, cell coverage. I ran into this up in New Hampshire last year. Fortunately the business had free, albeit slow, Wi-Fi. At hotels and resorts in the mountains there is often no coverage but they provide Wi-Fi.