Audio on a Model B?

12 Dec 16 09:04, you wrote to me:

TP> You are doing it wrong. Learn that the world is larger than you TP> originally thought it was ;) O:) ;)

hahaha... glad you took the humor as it was intended :)

TP> "The Usenet standard RFC 3676 specify that a signature block should be

there's your first problem in the misunderstanding... fidonet doesn't have so-called "signature blocks"... some folks may "sign" their posts but it is not necessary... our tear lines were meant to indicate the end of the message body and provide a point where the origin line and hidden control lines were placed so they could be torn off of the message during importation into the BBS if the operator wanted their software to tear them off... this was back in the days when BBSes were run on floppy drives and space was precious and expensive... back when fidonet had members running fido software on S-100 buss systems, mainframes and whatever else folks could get fido to compile on... back when the FOSSIL specification was created because of the need for a shim between the serial hardware and the software to provide a uniform API to the serial interfaces no matter the hardware the software was running on... this was back when Tom Jennings worked for Phoenix BIOS...

but hey, why not let's just get back to talking about the rPis and leave all this side mess to go by the wayside, ok? ;)

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12 Dec 16 05:28, you wrote to me:

AS> Leaves only the question of why the new kid on the block (fidonet AS> which appeared some five years after UUCP brought us USENET and global AS> email) chose to do a Microsoft and use almost but not quite the AS> established standard,

the first thing is that at that time, microsoft wasn't known for pulling those shitty games it is known for pulling today...

the second thing is that there was no "global" news or email... at least not for anyone outside certain corporate and educational environments... RFCs were not available to just anyone because just anyone didn't have access...

the third thing is that there was no "established standard"... there was this standard and there was that standard and then there was another standard over there... remember, the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from! :)

AS> oh and why the authors of the gateway software chose not to translate AS> sig separators on the way through given the first oddity.

fidonet is a hobby network...

[quote] Very simple; it is a hobby, a non-commercial network of computer hobbiests ("hackers", in the older, original meaning) who want to play with, and find uses for, packet switch networking. It is not a commercial venture in any way; FidoNet is totally supported by it's users and sysops, and in many ways is similar to ham radio, in that other than a few "stiff" rules, each sysop runs their system in any way they please, for any reason they want.

FidoHist.Txt, 7/14/85, Tom Jennings, the founder of Fidonet [/QUOTE]

as far as what the authors of the gateway software did? they likely didn't know any better and just never thought about translating the tear lines... they may not even have been in their teens when they came up with the idea and whipped something up in their BASIC or possibly Turbo Pascal or Turbo C compilers... heck, Adam Hudson was only 16 when he developed the Hudson Message Base format in 1986... it was the best thing since sliced bread in BBS message base formats at that time... Adam was also the creator of QuickBBS which numerous clones were derived from... the point being that anyone could create something to do the job that they or someone else (aka non-programmer) wanted or needed done...

PS: do you remember the Tiananmen Square incident back in '89? the news of that reached the rest of the world via fidonet... not arpanet or "the internet" or usenet... the news of that incident was broadcast to the rest of the world by BBS operators in that area writing posts on their systems and sending them over POTS connections to their friends, colleagues and peers elsewhere in the world... it only took a phone call between two analogue modems... it worked great until the chinese gov't shutdown the telcos... BBSes and fidonet were 'the' communication method used by a large majority of people in the world until the internet was opened and easy public access lead to its explosion and infestation by the masses ;)

so, what about let's get back to talking about the rPi, eh? ;)

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mark lewis

I'm pretty sure the standard goes back to UUCP days (USENET is older than the pubic internet), which makes it older than fido and I'm sure older than whatever gateway software is in use. IOW they should be doing it right IMHO.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot

Leaves only the question of why the new kid on the block (fidonet which appeared some five years after UUCP brought us USENET and global email) chose to do a Microsoft and use almost but not quite the established standard, oh and why the authors of the gateway software chose not to translate sig separators on the way through given the first oddity.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot

You are doing it wrong. Learn that the world is larger than you originally thought it was ;) O:) ;)

"The Usenet standard RFC 3676 specify that a signature block should be displayed as plain text in a fixed-width font (no HTML, images, or other rich text), and should be delimited from the body of the message by a single line consisting of exactly two hyphens, followed by a space, followed by the end of line (i.e., in C-notation: "-- \n").[3] This latter prescription, which goes by many names, including "sig dashes", "signature cut line", "sig-marker", "sig separator" and "signature delimiter", allows software to automatically mark or remove the sig block as the receiver desires."

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If you are posting from a system that uses other conventions, then the gateway from that system to usenet is broken.

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The Natural Philosopher

Regarding the title, "model B" isn't helpful. The important distinctions are in the generations: 1, 2, zero or 3.

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A. Dumas

Den 2016-12-11 skrev mark lewis :

If you intend to allow dissemination of your postings to Usenet, you and/or the gateway responsible for that dissemination SHOULD perform every effort to make the messages conform to the actual standard. Placing a signature delimiter where the Fidonet tear-off line is, seems like a sensible action.

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