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If the bias diode is two diodes in series, why does the parts list call it a varistor? It's a funky-looking thing that looks like one of those connectors you put at the end of a wire to connect it to a screw. Don't think I'd likely find another one. It's physically screwed to the heatsink the outputs use.

Has technology evolved so that a momentary crossing of speaker wires could not destroy expensive output transistors? You see all sorts amps with "protection" circuits in them nowadays and lots of amp module IC's which boast both thermal and overcurrent resettable protection...

I measured D405 vs D406 in circuit with no power applied and the value, although useless quantitatively, was the same for both channels. I'll check it in operation when I get all the resistors replaced (and Q417).

Bonus for me: the one transistor used in that amp which I've got in stock is 2SC945, which matches Q417 the bias transistor. I like BD Enterprises which you directed me to, they seem to stock all sorts of transistors nobody else does, or their search facility immediately suggests an alternative if they don't have the original.

Dave

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Yes but for the same money, wouldn't you rather have a cool-looking volume knob that glows blue in the dark or a built-in function to make it sound like Britney is playing in a gothic cathedral than a protection-oriented design? Sadly it appears most people would.

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Dave

Sorry. From a technical standpoint, that is an idiotic statement, one that has been made before, and disproven time and again. People like to make statements like "This amp will drive a nail!" etc but it simply isn't true. It is the nature of bipolar transistors, in fact any semiconductor, that they cannot carry current much beyond their rating for more than a split-second. The instantaneous current demanded by a short-circuit will destroy ANY semiconductor output device unless that device is being so limited that it cannot produce music, which is dynamic in nature. Any protection circuit is there simply to protect the speakers from an amp failure, and to protect the amp only if the overload isn't too severe. This presumes that the sensing circuit will sense a large (but not TOO large) current surge prior to total failure. Any circuit which would really protect the amp from a short circuit would also protect it from the music.

Mark Z.

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Mark D. Zacharias

I was going by the schematic, and had not seen the physical mounting. Of course the best choice to replace the "diode" would be to order it from Harmon. I would be comfortable using diodes out of my tool box if necessary though, using the diode check function of a DMM to help match the voltage drop of the original (from the other channel, that is).

As I state in another post, output transistors cannot be fully protected from shorts without also protecting them from the music.

Mark Z.

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Mark D. Zacharias

Yeah, I was going to mention tubes but I'd already gone on too long...

Tube amps don't like short circuits either, but due to the physical constuction and current limitations of the tubes themselves, plus the ohmic resistance of the transformers (small though it is) they won't ordinarily be damaged by a short, especially one of short duration. McIntosh solid state models using output transformers are also somewhat less likely to be damaged by a short.

I need to stop here - I'm a repair tech, not an engineer. If I go on too long, I'm liable to stray into engineering theory, which I try not to do, since I'm not qualified, and the real engineering types around here will be forced to waste time correcting me...

Enjoy your tube stuff ! Have a good one...

Mark Z.

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Mark D. Zacharias

If the amp is beefy enough, protection circuits will NOT affect the music.

greg

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g

Well, the music wil stop if the protection circuit opperates.

greg

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GregS

This is not always true. The power supply can only supply so much current. Any of my designs have MOSFETs that can take more than a shorted PSU. By the time the MOSFETS have got anywhere near warm the fuses will have gone.

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Marra

I just investigated this stuff, in fact I think I ordered some and have not yet received it. Its been discontinued I think. Yes, I ordered it two months ago, and it said they had the quanity i ordered. Glad you brought it up. A recording studio asked me about this stuff, and they said they depended on it. I know of no other cleaner other than Cramolin Contaclean, that actually has something in it to dissolve oxides.

greg

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Not necessarily affecting the sound, just triggering and shutting the amp down when the over-current condition is detected. It would only affect the sound if the amp driving signal is reduced or "soft-clipped" to deal with the overload, an approach I have never been much impressed with as a technician. The amps seem to blow up all the same, often along with the transistors etc used to perform the limiting (old Marantz amps for example).

Mark Z.

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Mark D. Zacharias

I have an Adcom 5802 in the shop right now with shorted Mosfets which resulted from just a momentary short at the speaker terminals.

Mark Z.

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Mark D. Zacharias

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