OT: Red States to Secede

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin wrote (in ) about 'OT: Red States to Secede', on Thu, 20 Jan 2005:

Sounds good. Doesn't apply in UK. Stepped rates of 10%, 22% and 40%.

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Services have to be taxed too or the numbers are not going to work out. But they all could be exempt rather than rebating the tax, you're right.

I don't like the artificial distinction between "materials" and things that are not literally used up that the US/Canadian state-level tax systems impose. It results in tax embedded in exports and needless complexity, just so the visible rate can be lower for consumers.

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Gee, where do I begin?

He lied to get us into a war. The soldiers are not adequately supplied. The only people who were RIGHT about what to expect in Iraq were fired or "resigned." The people who were WRONG about Iraq were promoted and/or given medals. Bush has the brain of a retarded clam. Bush and his administration condone torture. The Bush administration lied to the 9/11 clean up crew about the air quality. Bush lies to the American public. Cheney lies to the American republic. Rumsfeld lies to the American public. Rice lies to the American public. Hmm, why does the "Left" hate Bush? Beats me.

Jesus, I can't believe engineers can be so damned stupid.

And by the way, I am not a "lefty," I am a Liberal, and damned proud of it.

Probably, but not as ignorant as Liberals.

See I said you were ignorant ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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He has a BS from Yale and a Masters from Harvard. He got better grades than Kerry, and wasn't expelled for cheating like Teddy Kennedy.

Where did you go to school?

Oh, his inauguration speech today was inspired, historical. He explained what he's trying to do, and it's magnificent. Not easy, but noble as all getout.

Oh, my spell checker suggests "sorry" for "Kerry." Right.

John

Kansas State Institution for Juvenile Rehabilitation ?:-)

So does mine ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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"John Larkin" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

The implication being that what school you went to correlates to how intelligent you are, and further that if you went to a "better" school than someone else, then you must be smarter than them. I don't accept that. I am old enough and have been around enough to know what an Ivy league education can be for someone who is wealthy and connected. Hell, even summa cum laudes get off easy if they choose the right classes.

Therefore, it is irrelevant where I went to school. If I tell you an Ivy league school, what does that prove? If I tell you a state school, then you will just use that as an example of how much dumber I must be than George. If I did not go to college at all, well, then, you won your argument, right?

I do not believe that Bush got better grades than Kerry. Show me the proof.

Here is some interesting reading:

There is no proof that Bush lied. Please refer to a dictionary for the definition of a lie, and you'll see that claim to be untrue. Perhaps that untrue claim is a lie in itself (in fact, is more probable than Bush telling lies -- because I cannot believe that you don't know what a lie is.)

Hint: making a statement that might be incorrect is not necessarily a lie. The same statements that Bush had made were essentially the same as being presented by Blair/Clinton and other democrat/GOP leaders. Even the French had effectively admitted to misbehavior by the Iraqis, but didn't believe that the misbehavior reached the level that would necessitate the loss of their illegal oil for food income.

Whose fault? Perhaps Clintons' ongoing undersupply of the military was difficult to overcome? Why weren't the uparmor kits already supplied well before Bush?

Rest of your comments elided, because it seems like they are mostly very very easy to refute or dismiss. It is very clear that your emotions have overwhelmed your thinking process.

John

Please quit implying that the lefty/liars are 'liberal'. They tend to be much more doctorinare and intolerant than most of the so-called conservatives (right wing like Rush Limbaugh, and centrist like O'Reilly)!!! For an example of 'liberalism', please refer to the attempts to suppress right wing and centrist speech on college campuses. That sure aint' liberal, but is quite narrow minded and intolerant (typical leftist.) BTW, those who try to suppress left wing speech are also just as disgusting, but the centerist and right wingers tend to be more tolerant (however disagreeing) because of the history of being in the vocal minority... Of course, that is less true today, where the intolerant left (most of the left nowadays) tend to be odd curiosities, most apparently mentally ill. The leftist/intolerant misbehavior (e.g. Stuart Smelley) are the best salespeople away from the leftist religion.

John

I stopped reading when I came to "Air America". White trash leftist propaganda... right at Michael Moore's sub-mentality level.

I didn't go to an Ivy League school, I graduated from MIT, about the same time dear old high-calorie-ass-fart Teddy was kicked out of Harvard, wanna fight?

So far you have exhibited no credentials sufficient to warrant any further reading of your diatribes.

...Jim Thompson

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No summa cum laude gets off easy!

Harvard does not grant Masters degrees to clams.

Well, for one, he's President and Kerry isn't.

Actually, Kerry's college grades aren't known. Slate and some other sources rate W's IQ a bit above Kerry's, based on what test material is publically available. But W certainly isn't stupid. You call him stupid because you disagree with him.

John

Oh, then that makes it okay.

No, not me. I served my time. Five proud years in the United States Marine Corps, under Clinton's command. And guess what? I never heard any complaints about lack of weapons or armor.

You are dismissing proper language usage as a semantic game. You show the epitome of dishonesty. Perhaps part of your problem is that you are playing the poetic usage 'is is' game -- I am just looking at the real definitions and usage of words. You could redefine a lie to be simply a statement that might be untrue, but then your usage would make no sense to anyone else (except with other liars.)

Not true. Again, further indication of visceral leftist dishonesty. Note that even BJ Clinton and his crew (the lefty demoncrats) essentially agreed with the claims about WMD -- of course, they used the same sources as the president. Do you actually believe that GWB or BJ Clinton have private information sources outside of the government (and other governments?) Convienient forgetting about even the Demoncrat party line about WMDs and the dangers of Saddam are a part of the leftist dishonesty.

Perhaps you should condemn the damage done by the Church commission and other ongoing weakening of the CIA (and other intelligence agencies.) Note that Clintons damage done in 1995 (essentially weakening the human intelligence capabilities) was exactly the opposite of what was needed.

Again, the information sources used by the president were indeed likely worse than some of the public sources, but the damage that caused that was almost 100% due to the leftist actions against the CIA. For example, the partisan reply to the Watergate fiasco was the damage done to the CIA by the Church commission. LBJ and Kennedy didn't really do much worse against their enemies than Nixon, it is just that it was time (probably partially due to partisan reasons) for the government to clean up its act.

So, the most obnoxious reasons for the leftist Democrats to weaken the CIA, along with the incomptent handling of the Shah problem in Iran by Carter, thereby eventually leading up to the 9/11 attacks, were purely partisan or democrat incomptency.

John

The way I heard it, this whole entitlements fiasco was caused by the imposition of the income tax. Companies started offering benefits, instead of cash. If you make, say, $100.00 more per month, you'll take home maybe

60, 70 bucks from it - Uncle Sugardaddy gets "his" (stolen - remember, taxation is theft) piece of flesh before you even see it. $100.00 per month in medical insurance, however, isn't taxed, and probably costs the employer less that $100.00 because they can get some kind of group discount.

So, originally, all the benefits were self-defense against the rapacious bureaucracy; but they've done an end-around by using that stolen money to get schools to turn out generations of ignorami. Sigh.

Thanks, Rich

I read in sci.electronics.design that Jim Thompson wrote (in ) about 'OT: Red States to Secede', on Thu, 20 Jan 2005:

Popes are always against war - it goes with the job in the same way as they tend to be against sin. But this Pope hasn't been ineffective; he's pronounced, often, very conservative dogma that I thought you would support.

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Look, it's quite simple - what Bush said about WMD in Iraq was untrue. He has repeatedly said things that are untrue, regarding both international and domestic affairs. That much is clear and simple fact.

The question is whether he knew they were untrue at the time (i.e., he lied), whether he believed them to be true but was duped by those around him (i.e., he was stupid and had appointed liars to trusted positions), or whether everyone around him believed them to be true (i.e., the people responsible for providing the information got it wrong).

So either Bush is a liar, or he is stupid and surrounded by liars, or everyone from Bush downwards in the "intelligence" branch is incompetent. Given the numbers of reports and complaints about people "higher up" doctoring, changing, or dictating intelligence reports, I'd assume that, in most cases, it's one of the first two. My personal opinion is that while Bush probably knowingly lied on several occasions (he apparently has no feelings of responsibility or scrupples), it's mostly a case of him being stupid and surrounded by liars.

Ok, everyone outside of America knew there was very little real chance of Saddam having real, dangerous WMD's. Even within the US, anyone with two brain cells to rub together (and the guts to use them, in the face of witch-hunting) could have worked it out. Remember, the USA stopped selling WMD's to Saddam shortly before the first US-Iraq war. They (along with the UK) destroyed most of Iraq's infrastructure, bombed them into the dark ages, then starved them for a decade, while watching closely all the time. It would have been an impressive feat indeed if Saddam had managed to get real WMD capability.

Anyway, the whole concept of "weapons of mass destruction" is a made-up phrase to sound good in propoganda speaches (as is the modern American misuse of "terrorist" to mean anything from "someone who wants to fight America or Americans" upwards). Just for an example, a few years back a fanatical religious group in Japan used nerve gass canisters (a "WMD") in an underground. Six people were killed. A Korean terrorist killed well over 200 people in a South Korean underground station, using a good old-fashioned petrol bomb. Which of these was the weapon of mass destruction?

Well, first, we kill all the lawyers...

;-)

The primary one being, taxation is theft. The highwayman robs you once, and goes away. The tax collector robs you repeatedly, year after year.

What gives any person the right to benefit from the fruits of another's labor? Or Labour, for the Brits amongst us. ;-)

Thanks, Rich

Then howcome you guys aren't voting Libertarian? That's one of the planks of our platform, you know.

Maybe it's the unreasoning terror that's triggered by ideas like ending the insane war on drugs.

I'm coming to the conclusion that people don't want Freedom - they want Mommy.

Thanks, Rich