lockin amplifier question

hi i am using a lockin amplifier for the 1st time other than a canned college lab demo i have a 5mV signal from a strain gage that is driven with 10Vpp at 1kHz or whatever i choose. the 5mV is increased to 5.01mV when i add some weight to the arm the gage is weighing. i wanted to increase sensitivity of this reading with the LIA since there is noise in the next digit, i.e. i read 5.01mV +- 0.001mV.

But i seem to go out of range (overload) before reading any weight change. do i need to get a 0.000V average signal first, and put this into the LIA?

The 4 strain gages are in a full wheatstone bridge configuration. The 10V 1kHz signal is sent to the bridge and to the LIA 'reference' input,

5mV 1kHz bridge output sent to to LIA signal in. I adjust the LIA phase for max output, zero the signal with the internal LIA offset, and increase sensitivity until i overload. then i back off the sensitivity so theres no overload. at this point i see no change in output with change in weight. the LIA sensitivity is generally 30mV at this point, whereas the signal I want to measure is 0.01mV or less, so it seems natural i wont get a change in output. the only thing i can think of is i must 'balance the bridge' to get 0.00V output, and amplify this to higher levels e.g. at the 0.01mV level. is this right?

Finally, having read a primer that suggests using 'offset' and 'expand' for low-noise small-change signals such as mine, do I need an LIA with 'expand', which seems to be an output amplifier (after the lockin stage)? My old analog lockins have only offset and input amplification (sensitivity), but no 'expand' function.

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jeremy
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jeremy wrote

Try to be polite Jeremy - it doesn't cost anything and you'll find people will continue to answer you.

LIAs are used to extract signals from uncorrelated noise. The trouble in this case is that your 5mV (noise) signal is not distinguishable from your wanted signal. You are throwing away the dynamic range of the LIA to no effect. It doesn't make much sense to amplify the offset and signal and then subtract the offset. It would be sensible to balance your bridge first to reduce the required DR as you suggest. You will then be able to increase the sensitivity of the LIA without overloading the detector. The expand function is simply another amplifier after the detector which will be useless if the detector is already saturated by the 5mV offset.

The use of AC excitation is useful where the signals are extremely small and environmental and 1/F noise is a problem or where you have galvanic or electrochemical activity in the bridge. Signals below 10nV fall into this category and then the synchronous detection of the LIA will move your correlated wanted signal away from the uncorrelated reciprocal noise of the amplifier.

DC excitation and a simple 24bit sigma delta ADC will generally suffice strain gauges for resolutions of 20nV and above.

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Martin
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Martin Farrell

As I formerly said, I never used one LIA. My suggestions were done thinking that the LIA phase adjustment worked to fine-tune the rejection of the non coherent signal at the intput, and I also supposed that the LIA offset adjust really worked at the input voiding the 5mV transducer unbalanced signal. Just this.

Be sure, your help resquests will never be considered by me in future.

Just for your information, I hold a patent in the USA (regarding defence and law enforcement), and I'm Italian. Believe me, it's not so easy for EC citizens to get USPTO patents. I'm not a stupid, I just tried to give you an help, explaining you that I never had a LIA in my hands. I'm sure the day I'll need to use a LIA, when I have it in my own hands, I use it with success without need the help of anyone. Bye. Massimo

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Max65

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