Automatic gain control

Jul 08, 2006 83 Replies

Hello! Does anybody have an idea of how to build an automatic gain control (AGC) circuit??? For exemple, amplify a signal (10mV signal or 20mV signal) to 5V. Regardless of what is in the input, the output should be



5V... something like this.... I appreciate any help! Anything will be helpful, a tutorial, a link, the circuit ! :-) Thanks a lot! Victor

That=B4s for signal conditioning for strain gauges... My goal is to amplify a small signal (10mV, 20mV, 40mV) to 5V. But I don=B4t want to adjust the gain via a external resistor! I want it to be 5V regardless of the input signal.I get the signal from a wheatstone bridge... It doesn=B4t need to be THAT precise, it can be 4.5V, 4.6V.... Thanks for the reply! Victor

Eeyore escreveu:

Please bottom post. If it doesn\'t matter what your input signal is but you always want 5V out how do you propose for your strain gages to measure strain?

For what is essentially a DC signal the concept simply doesn't work !

How can the amplifier know the difference between a 10mV 10% output and a 10mV

100% output ????

Graham

AGC loop adjusts gain until output is constant. AGC control voltage becomes the "signal".

I did this one time with a WWVB receiver... the stepping of the (coherent-style) AGC voltage was the recovered data.

...Jim Thompson

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Can\'t you read? That\'s not what the guy\'s asking for. He wants to plug in a strain gage with 10mV full scale out and then later plug in another one with, say, 20mV full scale out and have the magic AGC know the difference and put out 5V when the first one\'s at 10mV and 5V when the second one\'s at 20mV.

Yup. I know that. Not *quite* so severe in audio compressors but ......... :-)

I suppose you could have an AGC volts output then.

Don't think it helps any though.

Last time I checked, 'receivers' used ac signals ! Boom Boom !!! ;~)

Graham

Some guys really worry me that they even think such a thing could be possible !

Graham

10mV

Isn't "AC" just fast-moving DC ?:-)

...Jim Thompson

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No. DC stays on the same side of 0V. AC crosses over.

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10mV

:-)

LMAO ! I thought *I* invented that phrase !

Graham

Sounds like you want a programmable gain amplifier, where you'll preset the gain to some known precise value. There are a variety of ways to do that, such as selecting feedback with a multiplexer.

Of course if you really just want 5V out regardless of the input you can simply use a 5V regulator and dispense with everything else. ;-)

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Bah ! Just change the reference voltage and its moving DC again ! ;~)

Graham

I guess that puts you in the category of "doesn't have a clue." Sorry Charlie.

So you measure the feedback signal.

Don

Last time I checked receiver AGC was a DC signal.

Don

WWVB has two data transitions per second, so the AGC is two-level "DC"

...Jim Thompson

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Yep ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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The usual solution for something slow, like a strain gauge, is to use a two-quadrant multiplying digital-to-analog converter to control the gain.

I've got a circuit board in my desk drawer that used a Burr-Brown (now Texas Instruments) DAC7528 as the gain-controlling element. There are a couple of example circuits in the data sheet

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For faster circuits Anaolg Devices offer the AD600 and the AD602,

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I've used similar parts from Linear Technology (slower) and Burr-Brown, though I can't recall the opart numbers off the top of my head.

--=20 Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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