Not me. I use "zee" intentionally when I am talking to phone support personnel (usually when giving my domain name - zws.com). In normal conversation, always "zed".
And I will never be able to say "sodering". It's soLder, people. Maybe the need to work with antique weights and measures uses up so much mental capacity in a native-born American than they occasionally lose phonemes out of words.
Hmmm.. I looked it up in my big paper dictionary (Collier's) and it's pronounced sod'er (upside down e). dictionary.reference.com agrees. Merriam-Webster agrees, with an exception for Britain (säl-der or sOl-der (long o)). As far as I can tell, we're pronouncing it right. Not that you can tell over the internet ;-)
The word is from the Middle English "soudure", originally the latin "solidare" and "solidus" from which we get "solid" and "solidarity" - all "joining together" words.
It's a side effect of having to pronounce city names like Leichester (pronounced "less-ter").
Besides, we don't lose phonemes. We recycled them, by adding them to other words.
Tsk, modern trash. In much the same way that the King James edition is the only true Christian Bible, the only true English Dictionary is the OED. This is not searchable online for free (quality has a price) but a portion of it is available at
Fortunately this particular word is in the free section:
/sold[reverse-e]r, sol-/ [no alternative pronunciations shown]
And you'll note that both the Latin roots and the modern English descendants have the L pronounced.
There was a Leceister St. in Port Chester NY where I used to live. I could never direct a taxi to go there, since I pronounced it properly and their rendition was something like "lye-chester".
I can't remember what the name was that was pronounced "mangrove-throat-warbler", but I think the guy was a candidate that was standing for Parliament in the episode with the election. Or he was somebody that was being interviewd as part of election coverage. Or something like that.
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I personally like the common pronounciation of CARAMEL pronounced "carmel"..
Carmel is a small town in California.. not a confectionary
Quote: " the need to work with antique weights and measures uses up so much
yep, base 10 is so hard to master.. LOL
also.. take a look at
lower on the page are two check boxes.. one for "English" units and the other for "Metric" units.. last time I was in England, ISO units were in use.. English units ARE Metric.. .. when did they change back to Fahrenheit ?
I posted a suggestion to weather.com..
I suggested that "english and metric" be replaced with "American customary units" and International units..
I don't think it exists any more. Those words refer to an alloy of lead and tin, with possibly a flux core. Acid core is for plumbing. Nowadays the lead seems to be gone. This prevents acquiring the Bennington, VT water syndrome from the three handed soldering technique: Iron in right hand, component in left, solder in mouth.
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