ARM: Smaller SDK than GCC?

There are a bunch of different permutations. Not including the fact that there are many "standard" versions of the three major tool components, there are also different build-time options (specific ARM targets) and different runtime libraries that might be included; newlib for deeply embedded, OS-less targets, uclibc for ucLinux, glibc for arm-linux, a choice between insight or text-mode gdb, ...

I don't think you'll find anything significantly smaller than the gcc toolchain. The commercial tools are even larger. Why are you being so parsimonious with disk space? :) One thing you can, however, omit, is native cygwin(-targeted) versions of the compiler, assembler and linker (and debugger); some prebundled distros include those by default, for no compelling reason.

gdb includes a simulator, but it's only for the ARM core, not the peripherals. Really, the best way to learn about ARM is to buy the cheapest possible EVB and connect it up to a system running gcc.

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Hi Lewin - Thank you for your effort. Once I had my first Mac booted with 400KByte disk and even havd a graphical user interface... Surely I can boot Win98 here. The C:\windows directory alone is 565MByte great and I don't have a factor of 1300 for efficiency boost...

To summarize: I (and others!) need a precompiled GCC/CYGWIN for the Philips LPC210x ARM7 running on Win98. At the moment I'm unable to configure it correctly. Surely I will need days to try all out and bug fix the make files, etc. I like the ARM for power and address space but the Atmel compact development system for the AVR is light years ahead ! In a matter of minutes one can simulate the first program and all for free. (Hopefully Ulf reads that :)

- Henry

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Hi Gary - Seems that at least the Assembler at the geocities link is not fully implemented?

Can I run in on Win98? Or on a Mac (Yes, I have both - one for compatibility, one for fun :) Cheers - Henry

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The generic binaries provided by Macraigor are as good a starting point as any. Don't try to compile the toolchain on Win98; results can be unpredictable. I spent a lot of time wrestling it, against better advice.

Not at all! I suggest you download my example (Atmel) ARM makefiles/linker scripts/sample source and use it as a starting point. (I'm about to start work on a Philips-based project myself. I'll talk more about it when I'm allowed to). It should take you no more than an afternoon to get up and running on the new chip.

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Well, it's basically impossible to get flexibility without complexity. It's better to have a tool that allows access to the complexity than tools which hide the complexity behind rigid simplistic structures.

AVR is a closed single-source architecture with tightly controlled proprietary tools. ARM - including Atmel's ARMs - is a partially open architecture, subject to a lot of vendor whim. And there is a lot more variation even within the core, let alone the peripheral set.

Hi, If you can spare 250 EUROs then Ashling can supply a low-cost evaluation kit (ASK-2100) based on the Philips LPC2xxxx. The kit includes prebuilt and tested GNU/Cygwin for ARM with example programs for running on LPC2xxxx.

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The ASK-2100 kit includes an LPC2100 evaluation board with on-board USB ICE. The kit also includes a graphical IDE/Debugger and pre-built GNU ARM tools with Cygwin. The IDE/Debugger are time limited to

Eeeek,

Charging for a time limited demo program in this manner is a precedent I would prefer not to have seen set. Looks like we've reached a new nadir in marketing of accessories to public domain software.

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It includes the development board, with a USB - JTAC ICE. Not too bad for $250. If it saves me a day or two, it is well worth it's money.

Its however not clear:

2) Can the ICE be used without the 'expensive' IDE/Debugger software, I mean can it run from GDB using a supplied driver? If not, the kit would be worthless after the 45 days. Running a serial angel port for downloading is not my idea of fun.

Ashling, any comment on this?

Regards, Arie de Muynck

Thanks all for comments! I will try a couple of possibilities out... Cheers - Henry

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No, the ICE is "part" of the evaluation board PCB.

The GNU compile/link tools will still run (i.e. not timelocked), however, for debugging your only option would be to "port" GDBstubs etc. to the board (it has two UARTS). We include a flash programming utility (not timelocked) that programs the on-chip LPC2xxx flash via the UART interface.

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