8051 Keil C site updated!

Am 08.07.2010 03:34, schrieb Muzza:

It doesn't. Your stubborn refusal to accept the fact that your site is, by any applicable definition, a commercial effort, and thus your posting is spamn, does. And your style of argumentation does, like trying to discredit other people's statements as "psychic", when the major user of telepathy-based knowledge here is yourself.

What you're making here is no contribution. It's a commercial offering.

So you're still deluding yourself that your service, although _requiring_ a payment, were not-for-profit by the applicable, legal definition. And that unsolicited advertising for it weren't spam. Well, for the umpteenth time: you're wrong on both counts.

Right. So rise above that level, why don't you?

Ahem.... Murry, the web site you pointed us to is commercial. That is OK, but it does not really fit the definition of "contribution".

You know, when you started this thread, I said to myself, "His name sounds familiar, I guess he has contributed to the microcontroller community quite a bit in the past."

I suggest you continue to do this, and to not try to turn it into a commercial endeavor.

You must also consider that what you offer may not be worth what you are asking people to pay for it. What you offer may be much better as a true "contribution". Sorry, but that means free. A lot of people offer a lot of things free, some better than others, but free.

If this endeavor is really costing you a lot of time and money that you cannot afford, I would opine that perhaps the time has come that you cannot contribute. We would like to thank you for what you have done in the past, and suggest that you find something you like to do.

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Nothing anonymous about me squire, if you cant email me its because your hiding behind an anonymous address yourself. Try using the address your isp gave you.

I think my contribution was posative, aside from maybe saving someone time and money it should have spurned you on to look again at your effort. Sadly it looks like one out of two.

Well what would impress you?

Can do have done, and yourself?

That's largely because Google continues to allow arbitrary addresses ... most contract news providers don't and even some free providers have cracked down.

It's mostly fallout from the legal problems they had with the binary groups and all the lawsuits demanding the posters be identified. A lot of providers dropped the binary groups entirely, but the march to eradicate anonymous posting continues.

George

There is a commercial site (pay me to download my software) at the end of that link - your post is the textbook definition of SPAM.

For the rest of the world, there is better software out there FOR FREE!

RK

I hadn't frequented this particular newgroup until fairly recently and am at a loss to see why everybody is ganging up against the OP. Is there some past history, baggage or prejudices that I am not aware of? Whatever the reason, this newsgroup has been a particularly unpleasant place to visit during the last couple of days.

On the subject of what is or what is not spam, only today there were five new posts here with the following subject titles:

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I have no difficulty identifying those posts as spam. However, I can see no particular problem with Mr Van Luyn's post - at the very least it was on topic. I also checked the charter of this newsgroup and could find no reference to any problems with posts that referenced the sale of commercial software.

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Thanks for posting this, I was about to write something in that spirit. I have neither looked at the OP code nor do I use any 8051 nor do I buy software, for that - but there is nothing wrong with his single commercial post. We do post links to new products of CPU vendors etc., so why is he not allowed to post one, just because he is small or because his code is supposedly no good (no idea about that, might be great)? Could it be the entire load of hatred which was poured comes from people who are wanna-be self employed programmers like he apparently at least tries to be?

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Hi Chris,

Oooh, well you're obviously a big and scary bully-boy, then. I need to be well scared of you, don't I?

Let's wait and see what my website looks like in 12-weeks time, when I again post news of it's growth, then shall we? Please, by all means demonstrate to the whole group, your awesome power to make good your childish and empty attempts at intimidation.

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Thanks for your very welcome injection of sanity.

Regards, Murray R. Van Luyn.

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I appreciate your support of my efforts very much.

Regards, Murray R. Van Luyn.

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Chris,

Nah, I have probably have been running my mouth a bit here, and with little regard for the effect.

You're usually a pretty good experience in interractions, Chris. Ordinarily I have a lot of respect for your views, but in this instance I feel you may have been swept by the 'ill tide' of this thread.

I'm not suggesting that you agree with my position entirely, but that you perhaps consider my stated position and goals in a slightly more sympathetic light. I really am trying to serve in the best way I am able, and there really is nothing self-serving, sinister or underhanded about my method.

Regards, Murray R. Van Luyn.

Hans,

Nah, I'm sorry Hans. I'm happy to interract with all other thread contributors, but I won't respond to you any further. I aliken the experience of our initial encounter to the unfortunate discovery that one has consumed a large portion of a rotten apple. We'll see how my sense of smell recovers before I consider going back for more of that.

Regards, Murray R. Van Luyn.

There is nothing wrong with the website or products. There appears to be something fundamentally dishonest with the use of Keil's name on the thread and logo on the site to promote the op's products. There is an implication in the thread title that Keil supports / endorsees the software products. As far as I can tell from the responses that is not true.

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Hi Walter, the subject line may be misleading but we have seen a lot less meaningful ones. Dishonest - I am not sure, what if it had been "Intel C ... whatever site updated". He appears to just indicate he is using some sort of compiler people are supposed to know about (I don't). But then this is in your line of busyness and not in mine so I may simply be missing something.

Dimiter

Part of the problem is the use of the Keil /ARM trade mark on his web site.

Am 09.07.2010 06:10, schrieb Didi:

Neither was there anything wrong with people (quite objectively, at least initially) replying to that post pointing out that fact that it is SPAM, and criticism of the offered code's quality.

What has fuelled this thread since is Murry flying completely off the handle in reaction to that. From that point on, it's been classic escalation.

No. For starters, that's not what he claims he tries to be. He claims he tries to be a philanthropist; a benefactor. But several people here, me included, judged that to be a white lie. What he describes as a "benevolent offering to the community", we perceived as a failed attempt to disguise a commercial venture as something else.