# two phase from single phase

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Is it possible to create two phase(or more) from single phase using passive components(definitely not any motors) and maybe transistors(or semi-conductors)? The design would need to handle large currents and voltages so one can't directly use an summing op amp or anything like that.

Thanks, Jon

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Two phase in what sense? 90 or 180 degrees apart?

You can run three phase motors from single phase with various devices.

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Center tapped transformer for two phases, 180 degrees.

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There are plenty of 2-phase motors around, these use a large capacitor to drive one of the windings (which is obviously inductive). So it is clearly possible to do with only passive components.

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What I mean by two phase is 90 degree's apart(probably should have said that). Also, it does not have to be exact but just approximate(it can depend on the load but not to a great extentent).

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Doable but not for a variable load IIRC.

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"Jon Slaughter" wrote in message news:8lWOh.3910\$ snipped-for-privacy@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

The following circuit will generate 3 phase 144 VAC at 915 Watts output, from 122 VAC single phase, at 946 watts input. This is for nearly ideal components, and a balanced load. R4 in the circuit must be adjusted to the load (R1-R2-R3).

The voltage across R4 will always be 90 degrees to the input voltage, but will vary according to load. If R1-R2-R3 are changed to 1k each, the output voltage across R4 will reach 1.7 kV, and the input current will be 48 amps. Obviously this will only occur if adequately rated components are used, but the phase angle is still 90 degrees to the input. You can adjust the resistances to get various outputs.

I have built a circuit similar to this and it will run a 208/240 VAC three phase motor. I used three powerstats and two 120/240 autotransformers.

It is critical to adjust the inductance and capacitance so they have equal reactance at 60 Hz. They form a resonant circuit which must be damped by the resistance; otherwise the input current will increase along with the output voltage to dangerous levels. I was surprised a couple of times when I noticed rather juicy arcs before the input circuit breaker tripped.

HTH,

Paul

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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message news:460c976b\$0\$30081\$ snipped-for-privacy@news.coretel.net...

Here is a simpler circuit that produces 208 VAC three phase at over 2 kW into three 65 ohm loads. The A-C voltage is at 90 degrees to the input. It uses a 3:1 autotransformer (which could be made from a 120:240 transformer.

Without any transformer, 122 VAC input makes about 71 VAC 3 phase.

The resistors may be varied to obtain various voltages and phase shifts.

Paul

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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message news:460cab66\$0\$30081\$ snipped-for-privacy@news.coretel.net...

An even more efficient circuit puts the loads across the inductor and capacitor. It requires an additional autotransformer, but the output voltage phase to phase is greater than the input voltage. 120 VAC input produces about 140 VAC 3 phase, so 200 to 220 VAC will produce 208 to 240 VAC three phase output.

The schematic follows:

Paul

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