Load Leveling With Sea Sequestration

Carbon abatement schemes always seem too much like closing -- or rather not closing -- the barn door while forgetting about the horse. Something needs to be done about the immediate effects like sea level rise and ocean acidification. Instead of a billion people building higher and higher levees and sea walls every 20 years while hoping the CO2 will just go away, it might be cheaper to just sequester and/or reverse osmosis sea water for irrigation and aquifer injection to stop sea level rise.

Obviously it seems like an impossibly massive project, but consider,

  1. Only 75% of sea level rise comes from ice melt. 25% comes from irrigation from ground water. The project would need to pump less than -- maybe much less than -- 4 times more water out of the ocean than all the planets' farmers pump for irrigation. To be sure most irrigation water isn't pumped very far but on the other hand farmers do not seem to complain a lot about irrigation pumping costs. One week or so of a lower Mississipi flow rate should equal all the world's farm runoff for a year, a couple months the entire sea level rise.

  1. Just about all the aquifers are depleting so farmers will eventually be getting water from the ocean anyway, even without AGW causing droughts. There is no way around that fact. This doesn't mean all the sea water must be desalinated just that it could sweeten up things politically. Few things are better in life than to be on the winning side of a water war.

  2. Once the canals are dug, if necessary with my bare hands, it could be all solar and wind. The pump system as well as the grid could be over-sized to help load level.

The proposal isn't to drop carbon taxation or cap and trade but to consider the more immediate effects, weight them by the cumulative carbon footprint, and put them into the overall equation.

Something similar to ocean de acidification credits would be included. If a country wants to burn oil or coal or cut down its rainforests it would look for some lime deposits or other source of OH+.

Bret Cahill

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I suspect most water used for irrigation will just end up back in the oceans, not recharging any aquifers, so no help with sea level rise.

And even if it did, how much energy would it take to do the needed reverse osmosis? Any energy you use there is going to add to atmospheric CO2 if you get it from fossil fuels, and if you get it from renewables you are still making the overall problem worse compared to using those renewables to replace other fossil fuel use. Bob Masta DAQARTA v7.20 Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis

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All or most of it doesn't need to be desalinated.

Several hundred gigawatts to do all the sea level rise. At 60 cents/ watt it would be over $200 billion for PV.

This would be pro rated by a country's carbon history or use.

The problem with the IPCC is they focus on carbon abatement only while ignoring the more immediate side effects.

If you can't get to point B there's no reason to focus exclusively on C.

Just because the CO2 came before the warming does not necessarily mean that the first thing they should do is try to do is to stop burning the fossil fuels, especially since it appears to be such a daunting task.

It's like a frying pan that caught on fire. Sure you will eventually want to turn off the heat but the first thing you do is take the pan off the stove and put out the fire in the pan.

Geo engineering needs to be included along with carbon taxes, credits cap & trade in any international scheme.

Humans have been geo engineering from day one so that is not an issue.

Bret Cahill

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The idea was to sequester sea water. In some areas the ground water is not just brine, it's toxic. It's illegal to pump anything into the ground anywhere in California but that law was written without considering either sea level rise or the regions with bad ground water.

In regions where they ground water is good enough for irrigation then the water would need to be ROed.

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Sometimes procrastination works. The local utility was the last to do anything to meet California's regulations. They waited and waited. Finally PV dropped to $0.60 watt and they suddenly were able to exceed the requirements. It's hard to believe anyone there was that smart.

If all buring of all fossil fuel ceased tomorrow flooding would continue to worsen.

The carbon abatement community seems to just want to close the barn door when there are more immediate problems resulting from past ignorance that will require solutions.

The IPCC provides nothing in the way of getting to point B, just some idealized zero carbon point C, almost as though they are hoping the resulting famines and geo wars will wipe out enough people to make the planet sustainable.

A politician cannot get elected saying he doesn't like babies. Even the Chinese "inner kingdom" has difficulty controlling population growth.

Bret Cahill

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Huh? As far as I know there are very few useful crops (approaching "none") that can grow in even brackish water, let alone straight seawater. Every now and then there's an article in New Scientist or Science News about experiments to create such crops, but never any success stories.

As you may have noticed, nobody has actually been doing much of anything about CO2 emissions, except promising to consider it at some future date. And reducing carbon emissions is a lot simpler, more assured of success, with more bang for the buck, than complicated and totally unproven geo-engineering schemes.

Not to mention that the worst thing about geo-engineering is it gives the foot-draggers (and knuckle-draggers) still more incentive to do nothing about the real problem.

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