Astro-Jet Pulse Amplifier Scam?

At a swap meet today, I saw a vendor selling a device called the "Astro-Jet Pulse Amplifier" that connects in series with an automotive HV coil lead to the distributor to increase spark plug power, get more milage, save gas, start engine easier, etc.

It was an impressive demonstration. There was a demo box hooked up under the hood of his car with a exposed spark plug so you coud see the change in spark intensity with the device installed as compared to normal wiring. He also had a speedometer hooked up to read simulated vehicle speed as he changed RPM. He would adjust the throttle to set the speed to 55 MPH and then install the device in series with the coil which increased the speed to 65MPH indicating the car was moving 10 MPH faster with the same fuel consumption. .

People were standing in line to buy this Astro-Jet Pulse Amplifier for $15. The guy said the device would be available at WalMart in 90 days, but they could get a better deal today if they paid cash.

I'm pretty sure this thing is a scam, but I didn't see the operator doing anything suspicous when he installed and removed the device to illustrate enhanced performance. It was an impressive demo. He pulled 4 plug wires and had the car running on 2 cylinders with the device installed, as compared to 4 cylinders or more without the device.

-Bill

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Bill Bowden
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You can only get a bigger spark by using more energy. That energy still has to come from the same coil you already have. I see a likelihood that this device may simply burn out your exisitng coil in long term use.

Graham

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Pooh Bear

Perhaps it's just best to buy new (dealership) spark plug wires and a new ignition coil if your car is over 100,000 miles... that reminds me... I should do the same... ;)

And, of course, changing your spark plugs regularly. You do that, right?

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mrdarrett

was the exposed plug operating under compression?

he did this on a dynomometer, or with the transmission in neutral?

they really seem like ambiguous results to me.

if the device is an inductor as I suspect it is installing it will slightly retard the spark timing, so If he tweaked the timing for fastest running with the device attached removing it would slow the engine....

smoke and mirrors all the way.

Bye. Jasen

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Jasen Betts

When I was a kid I saw this very same gizmo being demoed and sold at the world's fair in NYC (1962?) using the same type of car setup. I was amazed, but my dad (a physics teacher and pretty good car mechanic) explained the deal pretty much as you have. It appeared to be an extra coil installed on top of the regular coil. It was also "transistorized" (high tech back then) because it had transistor glued inside, but apparently not electrically connected to anything.

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Si Ballenger

His magical "Astro-Jet Pulse Amplifier" is a spark gap. What happens is, it's in series with the spark gap in the plug, so the inductive kickback voltage on the coil has to go higher to start the spark, consequently there's more stored energy. They've been doing this since the 1940's, but I seriously doubt if it really improves mileage or they'd be standard by now. They probably eat into the lifetime of your plugs, coil, distributor, etc; and as someone else said, was the demo plug under compression, and was the engine on a dyno, or in neutral?

Thanks, RIch

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Rich Grise

Stored energy is 1/2 LI^2, and I = ET/L, so if the breaker points stay closed for T time, the stored energy will J joules. This will be the same regardless of spark gap. You can't get more energy out then you put in. I asked the guy how he was getting more energy out for the same energy going in, and he stated that the voltage was higher at reduced current. Problem with that analogy, is the spark voltage is determined by the gap and compression. To get a higher voltage, all you have to do is widen the gap. But if you add a second gap in series to increase the total from the coil, you lose energy in the unused gap.

So, it remains a mystery what it does if anything. The demo plug was exposed with no compression, and the car was just running in idle mode, no load.

-Bill

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Bill Bowden

The main reason for the increase in fuel consumption at increased speed is air resistance. From your description, it doesn't sound like the demo would take this into account.

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