Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?

Well no it isnt. Gas is back to pre war prices. Bu electricity is now about 10 times what it used to be. Clearly it is linked to the cost of renewables,

The UK grid system worked extremely well before the EU 'renewable obligation' pushed reliable low cost generation offf te grid in favour of overpriced subsidised unreliable windmills and solar panels. Then costs spiralled out of control as people were not investing in capacity that windmills would elbow off the grid when the wind blew. If your CCGT plant can't guarantee a high capacity factor base load demand, then there is no point in building it. You build OCGT instead which burns more gas, but is less capital cost to build, knowing that when its needed it will command exorbitant prices.

Naturally this means that he effective result of adding renewables is to keep the gas burn and carbon emissions about the same, but simply treble the electricity price. Which is exactly what has happened.

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The Natural Philosopher
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Please confirm that you were being sarcastic?

Some people might believe you.

(I've just been reading about the Chinese steel used in wind turbine towers. The Chinese steel plants produce 4 tonnes of CO2 for one of steel, twice as high as the UK plant. But it's cheaper...)

Andy

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Vir Campestris

You can't practically speaking.

That makes the distribution grid a natural monopoly. Is the government is not in control of that, the company that owns it can screw the rest of the economy over, no end. The theoretical possibility is that it has gotten so bad, that investment in a parallel grid pays off. In those scenario's the economy at large is bound to suffer.

Groetjes Albert

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albert

On 4/10/2023 7:12 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: margin).

Did your ass hurt when you pulled that number out of it? Only changes here were due to the natural gas spikes so some areas saw 10%.

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Ed P

There is more to F1 racing than turning a steering wheel. There are some pretty immense G-forces that act on the body.

The important aspect of racing is that only the best of the best get to drive in a professional capacity. It just so happens that on the whole they are men?

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Fredxx

Wind turbines have variable pitch blades so the torque can be adjusted while leaving the RPM costant

The are intermittent. rather than unreliable.

That's what grid scale batteries and pumped hydro storage are there to deal with.

The Natural Philosopher doesn't know about any of that. He's as thick as Commander Kinsey.

Feminists are in the business of letting women do whatever they want to. Only a half-wit like the Natural Philosopher would imagine that they would try to stop any woman doing anything. He's probably projecting.

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Anthony William Sloman

It is a de facto monopoly in any geographic region just like the water and sewerage pipes in the ground and the gas pipes in the ground (and the railway tracks for that matter). The latter in the UK is completely FUBAR with Network Rail presiding over the gradual decline and disintegration of our Victorian era infrastructure.

Different train franchises run trains over the same tracks and the tickets are specific to each brand - the whole thing is certifiable.

Worst offenders are the West coast mainline operator Avanti and worse still TransPennine who have discovered a cunning scheme of cancelling vast numbers of trains at 21:59 the day before they are due to run! (apparently a loophole means it doesn't count against them)

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Our government views privatisation as the solution to everything!

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Talk about rewarding failure :(

It is already on it's way to hell in a handcart. Fuel is coming down in price again so they might upgrade to a motor vehicle...

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Martin Brown

He's in the UK, where power prices have gone up significantly.

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Scott Lurndal

We will have to agree to disagree.

A quick Google has failed to come up with his certificate. Any idea where it's posted?

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Fredxx

Hefty, but not the 10X claimed.

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Ed P

Clive Sinclair's IQ was high enough to let him join Mensa - actually he was chairman of British Mensa for ages.

It didn't stop him from doing a lot of very stupid things - and joining Mensa was one of them. It's a society for people who score well on IQ tests, but can't do anything intelligent enough to let them join any kind of society for people who have done something useful with their "intelligence".

Jim Thompson scored well enough on IQ tests to qualify for Mensa but had enough sense to bail out when he met the dweebs who were members.

If Commander Kinsey did score that well, it's just more proof that IQ tests throw an appreciable number of false positives.

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Anthony William Sloman

Wholesale electricity futures di peak at around 10x jan 2020 prices for a very short while but are currently around 3x in UK

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Bev

I am paying 50p a unit. I used to pay 5p 20 years ago and pre renewables it was around 12p

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The Natural Philosopher

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electricity prices have NOTHING to do with gas prices So you can stuck those charts up yiur arse and have an orgasm

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The Natural Philosopher

With normal inflation, that 5p would be about 9p. So actual electric increase is 6x not 10x.

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Ed P

Look at the graphs

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The Natural Philosopher

Clearly all is well in the UK - if the worst thing you can find to complain about is the names of the energy companies.

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Sam Plusnet

Once again you put on your myopic glasses.

The spot price doesn't correspond with UK landed prices. LNG ships are in short demand. Plus it takes time for ships to make port.

The current price paid by retailers is determined by the most expensive generator needed to supply the network's customers at any time.

You should know that. When you provide evidence that it is the renewable setting the higher prices, then you may have a point. But I know you can't back up your ridiculous claims.

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Fredxx

Ours went even further with the generating and distribution separated from the retailers tho some of the generators are also retailers, most of the retailers just retail power they buy.

We have one called Dodo who do electricity, gas and mobile phone services.

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Rod Speed

The UK saw price rises of around 100% overnight, and with more to come.

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alan_m

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