The raw milk and unpasteurized cheese fads here did typically die out when deaths got publicity. I've seen that happen a couple of times.
In the All Creatures Great and Small series, entire herds were killed to eliminate TB. That's in the Herriot books and the PBS series.
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The Natural Philosopher
Of course. Its highly embarrassing for them to admit that, but it is in fact true. Juts look at what happened when Hindus and Muslims started mixing it it to create the Pakistans.
The US certainly would.
The US still has England in charge.
Argentina was never a British colony, In fcat Britain helped it gain independence from Spain. "Argentina rose as the successor state of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata,[15] a Spanish overseas viceroyalty founded in 1776. The declaration and fight for independence (1810–1818) was followed by an extended civil war that lasted until 1861, culminating in the country's reorganization as a federation"
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I do like your technique of, unlike the usual 'appeal to authority', of the 'appeal to bleeding ignorance'
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The Natural Philosopher
We trend to not favour racists policies.
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The Natural Philosopher
Oh dear. I would explain, but I fear you are simply too stupid to understand
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The Natural Philosopher
Yeah.
It's all part of the Romantic myth of the 'noble savage'
My time in South Africa was interesting. The Black townships - Soweto chiefly - wanted drink, discotheques, electric lights and refrigerators. They couldn't wait to abandon rural shacks and move to the place.
The other great myth is that you can have a western lifestyle and bring your bronze age culture with you.
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The Natural Philosopher
Oh c'mon. Take that tongue of of that cheek. There was considerable cultural intermingling in the late bronze age and early iron age. The druids are said to have taught the Greek philopshers. But the Greeks *wrote it down*
Bronze age people were intelligent and sophisticated and thought deeply on many issues, once they had a culture that gave them the time.
This partisan nonsense about 'it all started here' or 'we invented that' is simply nonsense. Good ideas spread eventually because they are useful ideas. Science may be decried as 'white and male' but it f****ng works, dude...
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Rod Speed
Thats not what the word typically was referring too.
Irrelevant to whether the use of raw mild from your own cow TYPICALLY killed those do use the milk from their own cow.
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The Natural Philosopher
F16s are essentially obsolescent. They would have been mothballed or scrapped as newer kit is rolled out.
People are delighted that they have a 'pre loved' value.
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John Larkin
I've done the grand tour of the USA but pefer to stay closer to home these days. I hate airports and long road trips. The sierras are a three hour drive and there's plenty of stuff to explore on both ends and in between.
The fruits and nuts _are_ good here. The cheese too.
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The Natural Philosopher
It wasnt as bad as the black death anyway. Russia need to get rid of its young men, and Germany wanted to get rid of anyone who wasn't blond, blue eyed, and in the case of the feminine gender, buxom. Of cars US casualties in the European theatre were minimal compared to the European and commonwealth participants
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The Natural Philosopher
Its fairly clear that affluent Romans lived on fruit fish and meats, mainly. No carbs at all. And not many vegetables, either. Beans maybe.
Carbs have always been the last resort of the lowest echelons of society, to be eaten when nothing else was available, along with insects.
They had olive oil, and wine.
The massive wheat growing farms, across the Empire farmed by slaves, went to the plebs as 'bread, and circuses'. Today it's 'Pizza, and reality TV'
I don't think the Romans were great on cattle (if you go to Italy, only the Northern plains are really suitable to graze cattle), but Cleopatra allegedly liked a bath of asses milk.
In reality sheep and goats were the herd animals of choice. And possible pigs. I think the Romans had rice, as well.
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The Natural Philosopher
Why am I not surprised? I have seven hours to go before I sit down to anything at all.
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charles
I remember reading, not so long ago, that students at a South African university didn't want to be taught "White Science". My reaction was - OK
- turn off electricity and see how you get on.
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Cindy Hamilton
Brucellosis is a crowd-pleaser as well. It's mostly passed by drinking unpasteurized milk and eating soft cheeses from infected milk.
"The consequences of Brucella infection are highly variable and may include arthritis, spondylitis, thrombocytopenia, meningitis, uveitis, optic neuritis, endocarditis, and various neurological disorders collectively known as neurobrucellosis."
No, thanks.
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The Natural Philosopher
These days ALL herds at least in the UK are TT - tuberculin tested. And if some errant badger has passed it on they kill the herd instead of the badger, sadly.
I've never heard of ANY cases of brucella in the UK. Listeria perhaps. In any case these are all bacterial infections, treatable with antibiotics, that you are far more likely to catch from other sources than raw milk...
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John Larkin
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It's fairly easy to google this.
We can see why you don't post under your real name.
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John Larkin
In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it's shocking how usual death was.
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Anthony William Sloman
It was still quite bad enough. My mother had a photograph from her days as an undergraduate, and three of the five men in it died in WW2.
What ever makes you think that?
Equally nonsensical. They would have been perfectly happy to ship the Jews off to Madagascar - and had plans to do it at one point.
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Rubbish. 104,812 US troops were killed in action in action in Europe. That's not "mininal casualties" - it was about a quarter of the US military war deaths.
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The Natural Philosopher
Confirms what I said
Confirms what I said
I am surprised you are not ashamed to post under yours. Assuming it is
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The Natural Philosopher
Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine 'Secret Garden' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of cholera. TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died of it.
Women would fall pregnant 10-12 times, if they survived, and be happy to see 4-5 live to teenage years. And maybe two to three beyond 30,.
I am genuinely astonished that all this is new to you.
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