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Update: Varistor/MOV Spice Modeling

GFYU ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson
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After you get well, you're welcome to try.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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John Larkin

On a related note then, if anyone has something they'd like to model, I could take a crack at it.

I suspect Jim isn't doing anything I don't know, and if he sees some examples, maybe he'd even admit what it is, too ;-)

Tim

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Tim Williams

Perhaps not the right place in the thread to say this, but what problems would come up if you modelled a varistor as a behavioural current source with I = k* V^alpha in series with a bulk resistance? I've had pretty good luck with that model (just not in SPICE).

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Ralph Barone

I'm seeing interst in the model, rather than in _using_ the model.

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Jasen Betts

Bwahahahahahaha! I needed a laugh right now.

How about an NCP1072? That was requested on the LTspice List >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

How about a resistor, diode, voltage source?

A couple in parallel if you want some curvature.

Bridge rectifier if you need bipolar.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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John Larkin

There's not a lot of demand for an accurate MOV model, especially an encrypted one.

Someone with a "B" (Beckman? Bourns?) used to sell a "precision" MOV. Its i-v curve was a square or an exponential or something, and it could in theory be used to do analog computing, multipliers and such. Given that MOVs are not stable and have a lot of capacitance, it was a silly idea that soon disappeared.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com 
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John Larkin
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There was a request on the LTspice List and I provided a model.

Why do you have heartburn over "encrypted"?

The model is completely general. All the parameters (fill-in the blanks) are available straight off of most datasheets. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

You keep telling us how smart you are, and how dumb we are, and all we need to do is take your word for it.

Why are you keeping it a secret? Paranoia or insecurity?

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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John Larkin

Huh? Where did I say that?

Why do you insist on being a psychopathic asshole? ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson
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Oooops! I already know the answer... because you ARE >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

OK, insecurity. If people saw what you did, they might criticize. Or have a better idea.

Better keep it a secret.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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John Larkin

The LT Spice "g" componant is a voltage dependant current source. The relationship could be your equation, or a polynomial, or anything. That would be *one* line of text. Add capacitance or ESL as needed.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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John Larkin

Are you really so ignorant to believe that? I guess that's the way psychopathic assholes think. ...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson

Yep. The MOV equation is one line of GVALUE... with coefficients set by VTEST, ITEST, VCLAMP, ICLAMP, Rseries, Lseries and Cpar, right from the data sheet.

But apparently too difficult for Larkin the psychopathic asshole to master plugging in the numbers. ...Jim Thompson

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| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
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| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  | 
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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Jim Thompson

One line? What line? This one maybe?

1e0b22458c9e013c316e1a17d2fb21f94017955ce88f51ef5c03aab498e88eb5e71f71e1875841719b8947fe3d6f920cb7af1fedfab169c9c17d1a3c4a3fa116 
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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
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John Larkin

You will NEVER see the equation, as simple as it is, NEVER >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    | 
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142     Skype: skypeanalog  |             | 
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  | 
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     | 
              
I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Jim Thompson

Oh no, no, I'm heartbroken.

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John Larkin         Highland Technology, Inc 
picosecond timing   precision measurement  

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com 
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John Larkin

Good >:-} ...Jim Thompson

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| James E.Thompson                                 |    mens     | 
| Analog Innovations                               |     et      | 
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems  |    manus    | 
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142     Skype: skypeanalog  |             | 
| Voice:(480)460-2350  Fax: Available upon request |  Brass Rat  | 
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com |    1962     | 
              
I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Jim Thompson

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