Ultra-simple, low-power 3V->1000V converter

Hello folks,

Frequently I need to make sure that things are well isolated from one another at voltages of 500V. We have an ultra old, clunky, heavy Rohgde & Schwarz thing for that purpose in our lab, but unfortunately people tend to run off with it without leaving note of where it is.

So I thought I'd build my own, small, battery-operated thingy. I'd like it to run off 2 AA cells. So I need something that makes 500V out of, say, 2-3V. Output current max. 1 microamp. The output need not be regulated, nor do I care if it is 490 or 510 V, but I'd like it to have a fairly reproducible max voltage on the unloaded output. So I'd run the primary side from a regulated rail.

Of course the output will collapse under load. That's a desired feature. I just need a qualitative reading.

My ideas so far: battery -> low-power 5V boost regulator (copied from a Maxim or LT appnote) -> push-pull switcher to some intermediate voltage -> diode/cap ladder to output terminal. To measure the current I'd hang some TIA with a mechanical ammeter to the other terminal.

The thing I'm unsure about is the HV generator. Right now I'd tend to do a

1:30 step-up followed by a voltage doubler (5V push-pull makes 10V p-p input swing, times 30 makes 300 V, * 2 makes 600 modulo losses -> 500). It's be great if the whole thing wouldn't draw more than 10mA (I can see you micropower guys spill coffee all over your keyboards here. You'd probably design it without as much as a power switch).

Thanks,

--Daniel

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Haude Daniel
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you may be able to do some thing with an old tv or monitor line output flyback transformer?

daceo

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daceo

Hi Daniel,

I took for a similar project a simple oneway camera with a flash and use this one for such purposes. The final voltage in the capacitor is around 350 V but easy tuneable, it works from a simple AA cell with a batteryclip and includes a simple discharge unit ;-)

Very easy to built, very cheap (go to the next photoshop and ask for thes empty cameras or buy anew one, you may need a bill ;-)

Viel zu kompliziert Daniel ;-)

Marte

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Marte Schwarz

Sounds similar to a camera flash circuit. A visit to might give some ideas.

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Tony Williams.
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Tony Williams

Your proposed push-pull aspect rules out many simple single-IC solutions, yet would be required for a 2x output-doubler scheme. If you give up on both of those, a one-step flyback circuit can be used. Thirteen years ago I made a little HV supply using an LTC LT1172 and a small stepup transformer wound on an RM8 core with an A160 gap. It had to provide about 900mW to the load, which was a fast high-voltage opamp.* Other slower low-voltage ICs would be better suited for your lower-power requirement.

BTW, the camera flash-bulb crowd has nice low-power circuits. There're web sites describing converting a disposable camera's HV generator for general-purpose use.

  • The overall circuit was to synchronize a light-phase shifter to the middle of the shutter-opening time of a video camera in a specialized motion-sensing microscope. It showed a blank field (from phase cancellation), except for any movement that occurred during the shutter's open time in each video field. The shutter could be open for 100us (1/10,000 shutter speed), and we'd catch and highlight any motion during that time. To change the phase of the light at mid-shutter, I used an LM1881 video sync chip to grab each video line's back-porch pulse, and used complex cPLD circuit to calculate the right lines to generate shutter-open and mid-shutter signals. An additional voltage-programmed delay circuit allowed fine tuning to the exact shutter midpoint. I programmed the cPLD to work for all of the Sony camera's shutter times, from 100us to 8 and 16.7ms (60 per sec). The phase-shift pulse was tuned in amplitude to drive an optical modulator crystal via the HV opamp. They had the microscope optics ready before I got the electronics done, and a cry of "waiting for the RIS-177" became the focus of several lectures during the Institute's annual review.
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Winfield Hill

Oh I don't care about the circuit topology. This is just the first thing that crossed my mind.

Those are good points to start. I've got some RM's kicking around somewhere. For this application an RM 6 would probably big enough.

Time to start up LTSpice. This ought to be a fun project.

Thanks,

--Daniel

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Haude Daniel

I've thought about that, too. I'll have to check no-load power consumption.

--Daniel

Reply to
Haude Daniel

Somebody makes a fairly cheap handheld DVM/hipot tester that does all this already. I think I've seen it in Mouser or Digikey or somewhere like that. I'll look.

John

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John Larkin

Hi Daniel,

Do you really think, your homebrew design will top a ready to use design?

Marte

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Marte Schwarz

Id use a mc33063 in flyback mode, this gives you 40v swing, a 4:1 transformer will be very easy to make, giving you 200v swing, too high ratio means problems with leakage inductance and capacitance, a 5 * multiplier is easy to make with 200v diodes, wich will give you 1000v. ofc you might want to make it a bit more than 1000v to allow for losses etc. the chip will regulate it. ive done similar thing several times and it works quite well, with very small footprint.

Colin =^.^=

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colin

You are in Germany? Buy a kit from Kemo like the ion kit which comes with a nice pi wound transformer.

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Homer J Simpson

Charles Wenzel has a number of designs close to what you seek, nicely laid out here:

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Best, James Arthur

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James Arthur

[topology ideas]

There's a low-power 3-to-500 volt converter here, toward the bottom of this page:

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Cheers, James Arthur

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James Arthur

On a sunny day (2 Mar 2007 14:54:39 -0800) it happened "James Arthur" wrote in :

More volts on batteries here:

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Reply to
Jan Panteltje

Go buy one of those $10 bug-zapper tennis-racket style flyswats, and rip out the electronics. and maybe change the quadrupler to a doubler, or a singler :)

Cheers Terry

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Terry Given

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