In-circuit recharging?

Hi Jeff, This is the first thing that comes to mind. Check it out at:

Let me know if you have any questions. This circuit will give you options on the wall-warts size. Brian

That looks very much like what I'm looking for. But it's not very well labeled.

I'm assuming the rectangle on the right is the voltage regulator. And I recognize the resisters, caps, diode and zener. But what's that stuff in the middle?

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Okay, I have labeled and explained everything, go back to

again. Brian

That helps a lot. I didn't realize this was a circuit you'd drawn, rather than one you'd found.

I've never used Zeners - I knew a charging circuit would require a current limiter, but I'd normally handle that with an LM317. Amazing how many different ways people find of solving the same problem.

Ditto for the idea of putting components inside the wall-wart wire.

I don't see any mechanism for shutting off the charging current when the battery is fully charged. Is this likely to be a problem?

The project being powered by this will have a microcontroller with spare I/O pins - I'd been musing about having it monitor the battery voltage and shut the current off when appropriate.

If I'm reading this circuit correctly, it's assuming that the two non-ground terminals of a stereo jack are connected when the plug is not inserted.

I'm working on another project using 2.5mm sub-mini stereo jacks and plugs, and have three different sub-mini jacks on hand, and this is true for none of them.

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You will most likely want to be trickle charging the batteries, when the power is plugged in (in which case you won't need to turn the charging current off). Looking at a 3 volt wall-wart from Digi-Key (part # MT7133-ND), it puts out 5 volts with a 30 ma. load on it. You could use a 2 volt zener diode (or 3 regular diodes in series to get the 2 volt drop). Look on the internet to find out what trickle charge rate is needed for your batteries. Yes, there are usually many different ways to arrive at the same solution in electronics.

That is correct.

I copied a jack and plug from the Mouser Electronics site, to the drawing. Go back there, to see it. If they don't make a jack and plug exactly the way you remember it, then you improvise (as in the updated drawing). Mechanically it is different, but electrically it is the same. Brian

I'm not concerned about the drawing, or the mechanics.

I'm saying that I tried my continuity tested on the three 2.5mm sub-mini jacks I have sitting on my desk, and none of them have the terminals connected to each other when the plug is not in place.

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Then none of them are the right kind for this application. You can get what you need from Mouser

,they don't have a minimum order. Brian

Can you tell me what part number you were using?

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The phone jack part number is 502-113F (on page 847) and the phone plug part number is 502-60 (on page 852). The nearest I can tell, this is a match betwen the jack and plug, but I would call and ask to make sure. Brian

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Glad to help. That's what this newsgroup is all about.

Here's one way - no need to do any switching from AC power to battery power - it happens automatically.

+----->|--------+ | D1 | 6V + | ----- | Wallwart -+-|LM317|--+ | ----- | | | | | +-[R]-+ [100R] | | ------- | | |ST619LB| Clock +---->|----+-------|Charge |--->Circuit + | D2 | |Pump | [Batt] [Zd]3.1V ------- - | | | Wallwart ------+----------+-----------+------->

Use 2 AA NiCd. Set R for a charge rate of ~C/50. For example, say the NiCds are 1200 mAh C/50 = 24. Use 51 ohms for R - you'll get about 24.5 mA charge current, and your batteries can stay on the charger forever at that rate. Use a 6V wall wart and Shottkey diode for D2.

The zener will keep the input at the pump to no more than 3.1 volts. If there is no AC power, the batteries will keep the clock running, and the zener has no effect.

Ed

Use four 1.25V NiCd batteries gets you 5 volts and drops to 4.8 volts after a short discharge. but stays at 4.8 volts until they go south. Most NiCd's you can get would be from cordless phones, as NiMh have taking over the market.