There are sealed containers and there are SEALED containers. A high quality steel jerry can tightly closed with a perfect gasket is probably SEALED. The plastic cans you buy at Home Depot are never really sealed. Mine normally leak a bit at the cap, even when tightly closed because there are no gasketed surfaces. I also suspect that they ooze a bit right through the plastic. I know for a FACT that they breath a bit on hot days because I can smell the faint odor of gasoline.
Vaughn
WTF are you talking about?
I keep a 2gal plastic can for my lawn mower. That's it.
Please show me where I said any such thing!
You don't read very well.
So?
Cash isn't a problem. I generally have enough in my pocket to buy enough gas to get across country a few times.
You clearly missed my point.
...obvious.
...and the neighbours on either side too
Gunner
faint
Indeed. Which is why I spec'd GI Gas cans. Not GI TYPE gas cans.
Ive had GI Type cans and while some are ok..others..primarily Chinese ones...are crap.
The newer NATO cans are pretty good too.
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch
Odd..I believe you mentioned a '5 gallon can"
If thats not true, then you are even dumber than I originally thought.
So my friend..hows the view from up there in the clouds?
From your posts..it would appear that you will simply drive whatever distance it takes to find an open fuel station, whip out cash and fill up. No matter how far, nor no matter how unfriendly the territory between you and it is.
That question speaks volumes. Sadly.
Good on you lad!
We all teach what we can, and learn from others.
Failure to do so makes one a very poor human being and at worst..a statistic.
I prefer not to be a statistic.
Ive mentioned before how I took care of my block when the Coalinga Earthquake leveled most of the town.
One assumes someone on your block will be forced to take care of you.
Shrug
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch
True, very true.
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch
Per Gunner Asch:
Correctamundo!
But, in the interest of full disclosure, the vehicle is too big and the garage is too small..... So I never even thought about it.
I would rate an automobile's fuel containment above any gas can - if only because if a car's tank seems less likely to leak.
But now that you've mentioned it, even if my car fit I wouldn't be too enthusiastic about having it sitting below our bedrooms (split-level house).
Per Gunner Asch:
You have me convinced: steel over plastic. Never even considered what might happen if the container were to be dropped.
Odd. You must be confusing the thread. Try reading what I said again.
Litterate. Not so in the underworld, apparently.
No answer?
Any evacuation plans I might have don't include Afghanisan, no. Cash buys nice things like gasoline, yes.
If I'm bugging out 22 miles doesn't seem very important, no.
...and a few times that, immediately available were I need to bug out. That is about the extent of my hurricane plans, however.
The one thing that I learned when I had to do disaster recovery plans was to define the scope of the problem. A hurricane is about the extent of the threat I'll deal with (leave). A nuke isn't worth worrying about. I'll let those in NYC worry about that one.
I have the perfect plan for California earthquakes. I promise. I won't be a burden to you.
I doubt it. I'll be bugging out.
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Id erased the previous posts. So if I were interested enough..Id dump all the postings, including the saved ones and redownload all the posts. Frankly..Im not that interested in your denial. I do recall the subject of your having a 5 gallon can on hand...or something about a 5 gallon can yada yada.
Shrug. But as it turns out..you only have a 2 gallon can on hand. Which is of course..far worse...less intelligent than Id given you credit for.
Afghanistan? Oh..sorry...I didnt realize you would try bluster and foolishness so soon.
That statement speaks volumes as well. Sadly.
But of course Superman!
But of course. Chortle.
To where..and for how long?
That is indeed the question..isnt it?
But as I said..its your life, your choices and your family (assuming you have one)
Just make your choices wisely. They are the only hope you have.
Now Im done with this.
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch
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You obviously don't remember because I have never owned a 5-gal gas can. I asked how one stored gas safely and without it going bad.
Wrong. Having more gas on hand or a can larger than required for the gas needed is far worse than having a smaller can.
You're the one who things I'd be in such an unfriendly place. I don't live in Kalifornica either.
I wish you'd keep your story straight. You're the one who claims that I can't get ten miles without carrying extra gas and are now changing your story to 32 miles. You must be worried about the 22 miles, now.
Just stating the facts, GI Joe.
Anywhere I feel like going at the time. I have family in enough places that I'm not too worried about time.
No.
Good. Try reading next time.
A decent GI fuel can can only be detected if full or empty by picking it up and weighing it. They dont leak, they dont smell and they dont discharge vapors.
Which is why they filled entire liberty ships with filled fuel cans. On arrival..they didnt need to be filled..they could be issued as is, right out of the boat.
The NATO cans are decent enough as well
The Plastic Fuel Cans made by Spectre of Canada are very good as well..but they are current US issue. Spouts will not interchange, which is why I recommended finding a type and sticking with it. GI (steel) Nato, or current GI MFC (plastic)
Then there are decent commercial cans built along the same lines...
Water cans are also something that folks may consider...shrug
But hey...if you can simply get into ones vehicle and drive to the corner store and pick up fuel/water and potato chips during an emergency..no big deal.
Gunner, who lives in Californias Central Valley..in the High Desert
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch
The current USGI plastic cans are far far different from the average red plastic gas can. One..they are far thicker and are designed for rough handling AND rough life spans. They are ok..but they do puncture a bit easier on hot days than do steel cans. Id not be too concerned about their slightly less attractive construction if I could only get plastic GI cans or the red gas plastic gas cans from the hardware store.
Shrug.
And they fit the standard cage type GI type fuel can carriers so can be secured on a vehicle, boat, trailer etc etc
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch
When the last hurricanes hit N Central Florida, gasoline trucks were stopped at the state lines. Most stations don't have backup generators, and people evacuating the area wiped out 99% of the available fuel, so it would be a couple hundred miles to the nearest source of fuel. Now that a new law took effect about upgrading underground fuel tanks, about half the stations around here are either closed, or have just had the tanks removed. Most can't afford the $500,000 to replace everything and come up to the new code. that means that there will be that much less fuel available, next time.
Not only that, but it took several gallons of gasoline and the better part of three days, just to cut through the downed trees to reach a highway.
The big problem with evacuating is that you have to wait until the police decide you can return to your own home. They block the highway to returning traffic. I was new to Fl. when Opal came, it was headed away from us when we went to bed, when we got up it was "let's get out of here". The relatives said "follow us" We got about 3 miles before the traffic was backed up. It was still 8 miles to get to the four lane highway. I waited a while and then turned around and headed for home. Mike
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in news:7r2dnSP9ZPLjy6TRnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.com:
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You guys have it rough. The most I have to worry about is wildfire and earthquakes I guess. But if an earthquake knocked my house down I'd be staying here anyway.
As for wild fire I'd just have to get across the river.
It's aready 20mile round trip to the gas station so i've always got enough gas for that (+ more usually for the quad and generators)
My mom has to worry about tsunami but she could just come up to my house
-- i'm about 10 miles into the mountains from the coast so noproblemo. Flooding does hit a lot but all that does is take out bridges. My house is far enough up the hill not to worry about direct flooding.
You guys are kind of nuts to be living down there in Hurricane land with all those millions of people needing to move at the same time. It must be pure hell (but otherwise really nice I guess)
best of luck
-z
And all we worry about here is the power going out for a day or two in sub-zero weather.
Use a natural gas stove and fireplace, keep the pantry full and have a can of gas for the snowblower when the lake-effect finally subsides. That's about it.
I remember being in Mobile AL, when hurricane Frederick came through back in '79. We bugged out and were fine, but when we came back we went without power for a couple of weeks. Hardest part was driving around to find a gas station that had a genny and getting a bag of ice each day from the Red Cross for the cooler to keep a couple of things cold. (we were newlyweds so we didn't really need a TV :-)
daestrom
Franlkly, I worried far more about that than I do from Hurricanes here. It happened to me three times, once was just a furnace malfunction and an incompetent service company.
When we were in Vermont we had a wood stove and oil -> gas furnace. The wood stove would heat the whole house, when it was down to -20F or better. I never had to use it for long, but it was nice to have as a backup. A cord of wood lasted me five years, so I wasn't used much and I always had plenty of wood.
My plan is to bug out and come back when the power is back. We're ~200mi from the gulf, so I don't expect to get the brunt of hurricanes.
;-)
" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
yeah normally here in southern oregon coast we don't get the big cold like a lot of areas. This winter it did freeze down to about 8 degrees for a week and a half. all my water froze up but since I use wood heat that was no problem. Burned a lot of wood though!
I'm next to a nice sized creek so it's not like anyone was going to die of thurst .. it was just a pain in the ass. Never seen anything like that in the 35 odd years i've been up here .. even the real old timers hadn't seen a freeze like that.
It snowed a few times but it never lasts more than a week at most. It mostly just freaking rains and blows.. like for a few months at a time. That's why we drink so much. Even if the sun is up you never get to see it :)
I remember this winter I was in town and the sun came out.. pasty people wondered on the streets pointing .. 'a fire in the sky!!!' .. someone said 'its the SUN!' .. then everyone calmed down :)
yeah having wood is key. It's my only heat but my ma lives in town and she's on electric (with the notorious lack of reliability in this area). I got her a propane grill and a small camp stove she can make coffee with when it goes down and one of those propane indoor safe heaters. But most of the time when the power goes out it's due to wind, which is associated with warmer pacific storms so it's like 45-50 degrees outside. Not too cold.
I never have grid power so it's no problemo for me either way :) Generator, hydro and solar so i'm doing okay regardless.
Now wild fire is the big scare .. my house would go up like a mofo. I've got my hydro pond rigged so I could put some serious water out around my house but the reality is that if the big one hits some dry summer there wouldn't be much I could do but get the f*ck out.
*fingers crossed*but what scares me about some of you guys is living within a large population that gets hit by big weather. It's no big thing for us in the boonies to get 120mph winds but we're used to it -- and to be fair those are gusts, not sustained like you get down south. Facing 100,000 people all trying to move out down some highways would freak me out bigtime
y'all are braver than me
-z
Yes, fire would be a big concern. That's fairly predictable, too. It's a lot harder to bug out before an earthquake or a tornado.
Good point. I don't live on the coast or in a large population center.
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