The end is in sight

Well, you have to admit, five bucks an hour as a janitor beats zero dollars an hour as a freeloader.

Cheers! Rich

I once dated a girl who was mildly asymmetrical (which AIUI isn't all that rare), so I got to take my pick. ;-)

Cheers! Rich

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True but immaterial

Is that a bad word? It grew into a necssity

Well that's Laissez-Faire, freemarket Capitalism where the robber barons fix the prices and keep the gate. Whatever the market will bare!

Why not, they're robber barons with a license to steal. That's the way our system works

Medicine became more complex as the science and technology developed. That is not unique to the US.

Pure republican-libertarian nonsense withour merit.

Racist!

Socialism is not an evil it does some things very well and works for health care for most of the developed world. The US pays more and gets less.

In the US our fire departments work on a "socialism" model. That is, they are tax supported and come put out your fires on an as needed basis without cost. You don't haggle with them, bargain with them, have some doofus claim he can't put out this or that fire nor are they tied to your employment. This model has served us very well for 250 years. Why should a sick person be any different than a sick, on fire house?

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There's something to your history lesson there, Rich, but it's really somewhat more complex than that -- countries that have far more socialized medicine than the U.S. does pay far less for some of the exact same procedures/drugs/therapies/etc.

And it's not fair to say nobody knew or cared how much the health care costs were -- certainly the employers footing the bill always did, and I'm sure they cared greatly.

In a more sensible world, the triage nurse at the ER would tell Latisha, "look, there doesn't appear to be any problem here -- you might go home, clean it up and cover it with gauze, and it'll be fine; we'd do the same thing but it's just going to cost you more money." In the real world, this doesn't happen due to liability concerns -- if it turns out the nurse is wrong, and Mobutu's knee gets infected and he eventually loses his leg, guess who's going to have to pay millions of dollars? There's a non-negligible component of U.S. health care that can be directly attributed to "defensive medicine" like this.

---Joel

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Poor ignorant basturd. Why do Canadians hasten to the US when in dire need of medical care?

...Jim Thompson

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This is all part of the "No Risk" society that we presently have. There shoulld be no risk, no matter what behavior or action that you perform, and if something bad SHOULD happen, then someone else is obviously to blame, and should pay for it.

Rich smokes for 50 years, and suddenly has a stroke due to circulatory failure. He sues the tobacco companies for them evilly inticing him to smoke...

A guy breaks into your house, cuts himself on the window he broke to get in, gets an infection, and sues you for the dangerous window glass you have...

You keep your kids wrapped in a plastic bubble, but then they go to college and party their minds out and get addicted. it is the school's fault for not policing your child's behavior properly...

and on and on...

Charlie

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Not in AZ. You shoot his ass, making sure the body falls inside your house. No liability, no charges ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

you don't even have to "make sure his body falls inside";if he's broken the window in an entry attempt,that's good enough to shoot him.

and tampering with a crime scene is a felony in itself.

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Not in AZ, and I don't think that's so in most other states either. Inside makes him a threat.

That's a standing joke in AZ ;-)

...Jim Thompson

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Jim Thompson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Basic Castle Doctrine;if someone is forcing entry into an occupied home,it's considered that the person is a threat to those inside. It doesn't matter if the perp doesn't know someone is inside.

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Nice argument. Very convincing. ;^)

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Another convincing argument from you, Rich.

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You seem to have missed the point that "socialised medicine" is actually cheaper than what you have in the USA.

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Got any numbers to support that argument?

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I'm told that US doctors routinely shotgun-test patients with expensive diagnostics for exactly this reason.

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The US health system would be greatly improved by being socialised.

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You're *already* paying more for your crappy health system than we do in countries with free, universal healthcare. Don't take my word it - look it up yourself.

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I'm afraid so. ;^)

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According to it, I'm a Libertarian, leaning towards the left.

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