Strange gun safe

Better yet, a spud cannon.

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I'm wondering how long it will be before gun safes come equipped with an RFID reader. Embed a chip in a ring, watch or even under the skin. Then, one hand wave and the safe pops open.

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Better? Yea, but I had to go way out of town to shoot the sucker. I can shoot marshmallows all around the neighborhood here and impress the

Luhan

I've heard rumblings of a similar idea where there's an RFID embedded in the hand, and a reader in the actual gun: it won't fire if it doesn't ID its owner. I have no idea what ever happened to it, but I think it's kind of a kewl idea.

Thanks! Rich

It exists. There was an attempt to make it standard issue for cops, the idea being that a bad guy then can't disarm a cop and use his own gun.

There was also an attempt to make a similar sort of product compulsory on any handgun sold for private use (or maybe it was any gun, period). IIRC this was eventually watered down into compulsory trigger lock legislation, which is no less silly but at least less intrusive.

People who are so completely unable to mind their own business *should* be shot IMHO.

Rich Grise wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@example.net:

Assuming the batteries have not gone dead or an electronic failure occurs. I had a friend with a gun safe that used 8 AAcells to power the lock,and they died,and he could not find the key to open it.So,he gave it to me,said I could have the gun inside if I could get the safe open.It took me 30 seconds to pick the lock.I found the Duracells had leaked and ate through one of the wires of the battery holder.I will NEVER have an electric or electronic locked gun safe. If a ring(or other object),what happens if the person removes the ring,and an unauthorized person(child) finds it and uses it?

First,the idea of a "smart gun" was to protect police,who have a high chance of being shot with their own gun,taken from them in a struggle with a suspect. BUT,police do not WANT such a gun,as it's reliability would be suspect,and could not be used with the OTHER hand if needed,or by another officer or even a civilian trying to assist a wounded officer by using his gun. And LEOs are exempted from most of the gun control laws.(when on duty)

So,the idea was to beta-test it by making it for the general public. Some US states already have laws on their books saying that once such a gun becomes commercially available,all new guns sold must have that technology.

So,what is not good enough for the police is good enough for ordinary citizens,whose lives may depend on the gun's reliability and functioning.

Unacceptable.

A gun is one item that when you need it to work,it better work or it could cost you your life. Same for a gun safe.

Why not a fingerprint reader. It can't cost much these days, there is one on my laptop and it works quite well (logs in the right person with a quick swipe).

I went to a local gun show a couple years ago. There was a nifty gun safe that had mechanical buttons. You could reach down with one hand and open it in less than one second flat.

The most amusizing aspect of the the gun show what that you could carry any gun around (not loaded) but cameras were forbidden!!!

Luhan

betcha flipped it upside down and banged it with a hammer ;)

Over here, we just use them for hunting.

Cheers Terry

Terry Given wrote in news:1151103203.255803@ftpsrv1:

Nope;hairpin and small flat-bladed screwdriver,the old-fashioned way. They since switched to a tubular pin-type lock cylinder,instead of a low- security 4-pin lock cylinder.Other than the poor lock cylinder and vulnerable power supply,the safe was quite durable.

Even when hunting,a faulty "smart gun" trigger lock could cost you your life,depending on the type of game you're after.

Keith wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@News.Individual.NET:

Until the electronics fail unexpectedly.(at the worst possible time!)

ye gods, that is a bad lock. I got several sets of lockpicks by mail order when I lived in the US. very handy.

pointless argument; a faulty gun or round (or aim) can have the same effect. Besides, isnt the danger the whole point?

Personally, I prefer walking out back and grabbing my prey from its pen, its easier that way.

As far as gun safety is concerned, $50 per bullet would be the easiest solution.

Cheers Terry

I prefer the Safeway meat counter.

Not really. I don't want cops or civilians walking around armed if they don't stay in practice. A few hundred rounds a month expended at the target range is probably a bare minimum.

Not reliable enough. If you need the gun to fire for self defense and the RFID reader cuts out, you're dead. The gun safe would still have a combination lock or key as backup. The RFID system would just speed things up.

Terry Given wrote in news:1151112646.903615@ftpsrv1:

Hardly,people would just make their own;cast your own bullets from wheelweights,load your own cartridges.It's not hard.

Just like those guys in Australia who were making handguns in a home shop,by the hundreds,selling them illegally,or the guys in UK who convert replicas to fire real ammo.Not that making a Sten machine gun is all that hard,either.

Also,raising the price would only encourage smuggling.

True. The thought of a gaussian distribution applied to those who carry firearms is truly scary :(

Wasnt the columbine kids hit rate far higher than SWAT?

My stepfather has been active in pistol clubs in NZ for along time, and has nothing but scorn for the Armed Offenders Squad here.

Cheers Terry

True. Ultimately this all boils down to the unspoken social contract not to be a prick. so-called western civilisation holds together for the most part because we all choose not to behave badly. Large power cuts have shown that this choice is not necessarily deeply rooted in all of us. Others, of course, choose to behave badly from the outset.

its easy to argue that lack of access to guns makes wholesale slaughter more difficult. Except Rwanda proved that all it takes is more people behaving badly, using inferior weapons.

Cheers Terry

I've seen those but I don't bother with a safe at all.

Huh. The gun shows here are likely the safest place on the planet. Almost everyone is packing and not one has been robbed yet. ;-)

You trust a key or cypher lock when there is a bad guy crawling in the window? A finger on the latch would seem to be less likely to (mind) jam.