segments and architectural experimentation (was Re: segments, was Self-hosting and the 6502)

Sep 11, 2026 Last reply: 10 hours ago 3 Replies


When I started at Burroughs, they had just started a project


> to increase amount of memory that could be accessed by
> an application on the medium systems (B3500) line. The
> B3500 had a flat one million digit address space and
> could run in ‘control state’ or ‘normal state’. When the
> base register had the value zero, the processor ran in
> control state and privileged instructions were available,
> otherwise the processor was is normal state and the
> 1md address space started at the privileged base register and
> ended at the privileged limit register.

That’s an interesting approach! I had no idea how the Medium Systems line worked.


You’d think you’d see a lot of experimentation around things like this nowadays that you can get your own open-source chip design fabbed through Tiny Tapeout for US$300, including in IHP’s 350GHz 130nm SiGe BiCMOS process. (Not 350MHz; fT is 350GHz.)


Without Tiny Tapeout, IHP’s MPW price for that “SG13G2” process is €7300/mm² with a minimum of 0.8mm², which I find a rather daunting pricetag for something that probably won’t work the first time. As I understand it, that kind of thing is what sunk Chuck Moore’s chip design efforts at iTV in the 90s: they didn’t have enough capital to iterate fast enough with MPW runs through MOSIS to ever ship a working chip.


New approaches to protection seem like an especially promising area as we smash headfirst into the “vulnpocalypse” and AI generates exploits for the swiss-cheese computer systems the whole internet is built on.


Kragen


This is not an unusual approach. Many systems of the time used the same, I know of the GE 400 line, and I believe the CDC 6x00.>

I was talking to a college student yesterday who turns out to be an opamp freak. We were arguing about what's our favorite gumdrop higher-voltage opamp. I like OPA197 and he likes some OPA2xxx and beats me on slew rate. Punk kid.

He has designed an IC CMOS opamp and is having some fabbed. Even kids can do that nowadays.

John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics

They could do it in the 90's. You couldn't fit a lot onto a MOSIS Tinychip in 2 micron but you could get stuff done. Without paying for it yourself as the professor usually had a budget for that sort of thing.

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