Re: The Biden Administration is winging it about electrification

Yes. I had around 50 miles (including round trip tow trucks) of towing. So, less than one day of room heating.

My next challenge is to bring the 30 miles (10kwhr) Leaf to Vegas, probably with generator. Lowest i have seen is 8kwhr, on the way to 5. We can restore the main #1 battery to 24 with new pouch cells, but lots of work for 96 modules. It's much easier to add #2,#3 and #4.

Hey Bozo Bill, you sound like a broken record, and you are old enough to know what that means. A plan is a DETAILED roadmap on how the goals will be achieved; this abortion talks about "engaging and collaborating" - absolutely NO SPECIFICS. It would be like your boss asking for a plan for developing a new instrument and you replied that you would "engage and collaborate" with strangers.

Bottom line: this is NO PLAN WHATSOEVER!

That's what you eventually have to come up with. You do have to get pretty specific about what the goals are before you can start working out - in detail - how you are going to achieve them. I've done enough project planning to know how the plan changes as you flesh it out.

Nobody would develop a new instrument until they had "engaged and collaborated" with the potential customers who were likely to buy it.

Nothing that Gnatguy can comprehend to be any kind of plan. He clearly hasn't ever done any kind of project planning. I do seem to spend a lot of time reminding Gnatguy that he doesn't know what he is talking about. He might look at John Larkin's thought's about developing a DDS-based new trigger source to cover the frequencies between 15MHz and 1 Hz with milli-Herz resolution. Milli-Herz at 15MHz isn't going to be attainable, but it takes a while to prune out this kind of stuff, and if you start development before you've done that pruning you can waste a lot of time

Hey Bozo Bill, TRY AGAIN! You just make excuses for these poor bastards. Tell me, SPECIFICALLY, how this "plan" will replace SIXTY PERCENT of the grid in JUST SEVEN YEARS!!! And don't reply with how I don't "understand" this bullshit.

But you don't understand. For as start, the aim is to expand the network by 60%, not replace 60% it, and part of the problem is to work out where that extra capacity needs to be put. You can scarcely plan new construction until you have worked out where that new construction is going to be put. The bullshit here is all yours.

Hey Bozo, explain how they are going to do ANYTHING of this magnitude in SEVEN YEARS W/O a PLAN? Do you have ANY concept of what it takes to put in a new transmission line?? Obviously not - this one-pager IS NOT A PLAN, you BOZO!!!!! Lyin' Biden is merely blowing smoke - he has NO AUTHORITY to do ANYTHING, and he is not even TRYING to get the authority from Congress. Are you TOO DUMB to understand this?????

BTW "For as start" is grammatically incorrect.

That's a contradiction in terms, isn't it? Deeds of great magnitude, over a period of seven years, IS a plan, with details to be worked out... presumably, in the next seven years.

Here are two questions for the wishful thinkers:

1. How many miles of electrical transmission wires are there in the U.S.?
2. How many miles PER DAY is required to add 60% more capacity in SEVEN years? Anybody who thinks there is a plan to do this SHOULD be able to answer these two simple questions.

Yes, you should expect that answer, about 19 August, 2029. If anyone cares to address the odd question you pose, that is.

Who said they haven' t got a plan. Your complaint is that they haven't got a detailed plan, which just reflects you incapacity to understand what needs to be worked out before you can get to detailed planning.

I drive past above-ground transmission lines from time to time, and see the large mechanical structures that support the wires that I can see, and can infer the blocks of concrete that serve as the foundations for each the towers along the line. What specialised concepts do i need to add? The high-voltage step-up at the generator end of the line, and step-down gear at the the distribution points?

Obviously not. It is a publicity puff about the early stages of developing a plan. You are the kind of idiot that thinks you can churn out a detailed plan to solve a problem before you've worked out the fine details of the problem you need to solve - and don't have clue about what it's components would look like, but still think is is worth your while to complain that you can't see that detailed plan, even though it wouldn't mean a thing to you.

I'd have to be pretty dumb to think that the President of the United States didn't have the authority to push for the

It doesn't spell out the work that needs to be done in the kind of fine detail that you imagine to be necessary, but that's reality to for you. Not for you of course, because you've got no access to reality at all. Fox News is a close to it as you ever get.

How long is a piece of string? What kind of electrical transmission wires do you wan to count? Does the wire wrapped around the core of an electrical distribution transformers have to be unrolled and its length added to the total?

You do need to formulate your questions more carefully.

If you just upped the transmission voltage by 60%, none. The existing wires probably aren't well enough insulated to let you do that, but this is enough to make the point that you don't know what you are talking about.

Anybody who expects an answer needs to pose his question more carefully.

Well, for starters, how about:

1. An environmental impact statement
2. Hearings and written statements on this
3. Rewriting of the environmental impact statement
4. Lawsuits over the impact statement
5. More hearings
6. More lawsuits
7. Preliminary injuction stopping work
8. More hearings
9. Legislation to address the lawsuits
10. Etc., etc., etc. (no work is ever started)

HA HA HA!!!! You AGREE this is NOT A PLAN! Well, Bozo, SHOW ME THE PLAN, THEN!

HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Well then, You PRETTY DAMN DUMB because he DOESN'T!!!!!!!! In the USA that authority comes from the CONGRESS by way of legislation. If you think he has such authority then YOU can point me to the specific LAW that grants him that authority, but YOU CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Infrastructure Bill you quoted only authorizes $20B, which is a DROP IN THE BUCKET for modernization of the grid. It is just a token effort that rubes like you will think is actual action.

"Fine detail?" There is NO DETAIL WHATSOEVER!

You can see an above-ground transmission line for miles. Obviously there's going to be an environmental statement.

More of the same.

And even more

You want a plan for that?

And anybody who tried to plan that kind of time-wasting nonsense would be out of their minds. You don't seem to have mind to be out of.

Transmission lines keep on getting built, so presumably the people that do it keep a stable of lawyers to keep that kind of nonsense out of their hair.

That's not planning - more pest control, and clearly you'd love to be one of the pests.

I just did

it's not detailed enough to satisfy you, but Biden is a Democrat, so it never could be. And you do have unrealistic ideas about how detailed a plan could be at this stage.

That's what he has just got.

So you've got access to a detailed plan which tells you how much it will cost?

None that you can understand. Which scarcely needs to be said.

The answer, Bozo, is 700,000 miles (go to EIA.gov for the answer). No counting required (which is good for you because you can't count).

No, the question was perfectly formulated.

LOL! Are you REALLY that stupid, Bozo? Transmission lines are designed for a specific voltage which can't be changed. The answer is 164 MILES PER DAY! Do you see this activity taking place? I don't.

Not for people that know how to THINK!

But you don't provide the link. Your capacity to makes sense of what you think you have found isn't impressive, so I'm not going to bother to look for it.

So you don't understand why it wasn't. No surprise there.

They are designed for a specific maximum voltage. Switching from AC to DC transmission allows you to send quite a bit more current down the same wire.

It happened from about 1950 to 2000 when US electricity generation levelled off - probably because you started off-shoring most of your manufacturing to China.

It may be that you have lost the capacity to build stuff for yourselves, but you and Trump probably aren't representative.

And you imagine that you are one of them.

Then you ADMIT it is not happening TODAY, which means there IS NO PLAN to make it happen.

I'm sure that the US electricity grid is being worked on today. The nature of that work won't have much to do with what is going to happen over the next six years, as it is adapted to dealing with more electricity generated from renewable sources (which haven't been built yet, at locations which have yet to be worked out) and distributed to an increasing number of electric vehicles (which haven't been bought yet).

does talk about the process of working out how the capacity of electricity distribution grid is going to have to be expanded - by about 60% - to cope with this.

This about as much of a plan as is worth making at the moment. Since you are an idiot, you think you can demand to see a plan that shows the fine details of what's going to be done six years in the future, and get upset when you can't find one.

He does have a plan, but not the kind which fits your unrealistic expectation.

Of course you can. You are an idiot who is confident that he understands stuff that he hasn't got a clue about. Your opinion is worthless, but you are incapable of realising just how worthless it is.

As if you'd know.

Let's wait until the light actually go out before we got too excited.

does suggest that the US Federal government is aware that it needs to do some work on the electricity generating and distribution system.

You don't seem to trust the plan, but the current US administration is run by Democrats, and it seems unlikely that you could ever think that they could do anything right.