Re: OT: Why is Germany so (apparently) stupid to give up nuclear power?

Whoey Louie wrote in news:ec1b1512-ced1-46ae- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

You're a goddamned retard.

Nobody said anything about batteries in restrooms.

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No I did not. I said it was in the region. The entire campus' buildings do not have it. That is like 1/4mile x 3/8mile square area. They are not going to get gas lines piped in cheaper than my solution. And even if they do exist at city level, they would still have to have the buildings fitted. Not cheap.

Nice try though, twerp.

Robert Baer wrote in news:PyyjF.5399$ snipped-for-privacy@fx46.iad:

Yes, properly installed and calibrated, they work very well.

Improperly installed, they cost more as the person stands there waiting for the hot water to arrive. That is wasteful.

Business electrical rates are higher than residential service. Usually especially during daytime hours and daytime pek hours.

These HWOD devices operate just fine, if not better on DC. As we all know, DC can be stored for later use.

So my idea has some viability.

Europe has a completely different set of economics ruling it. Electricity is cheap in much of the US. HWOD hardware is not cheap and it's not reliable. Tanks work and are cheap. I'd *never* install a HWOD system unless the economics changes drastically (I don't have access to gas).

Colder water in pipes isn't a problem, where it's regularly flushed out. Warm water in storage tanks is a breeding ground for all sorts of nasty stuff.

Not just total losses but total EOL, time-valued, cost.

Don't?

...you mean i can not test my Helium arc welder there?

(pant pant ...) could we have a X-ray-ted microscope movie of them critters?

Well, you have to put them somewhere, space doesn't come free, and existing bathrooms won't have any space. Also makes little sense with electric solar steadily increasing, which will negate any rate advantage at night in coming years.

Yes, you probably do have experience with that.

Robert Baer wrote in news:LGWjF.2843$ snipped-for-privacy@fx25.iad:

Whoey Louie wrote in news:2cbd4b68-19d0-4bd4- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

The reply was about your "EV" battery, dipshit. It was about *YOUR* imagined choices.

I know what is required.

And to coin a phrase... It is not how *you* get it, child.

Whoey Louie wrote in news:2cbd4b68-19d0-4bd4- snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

No, dipshit. What you are doing is still mumbling.

Restroom facility? You are obviously clueless how large corporate research lab campus building are built, much less plumbed.

Restrooms house paper towels and toilet tissue. There was no mention of any bettery banks. Nice try though.

Installation and maintainence... hmmm. First thing to go on a

24/7/365 daily use gas fired tank? The thermocouple and gas line switch. How often? Pretty friggin often.

My system? Plug it in... turn it on.

Nice try though, child.

Whoey Louie wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

Certainly not that much for a POU electric unit. And most certainly not that much to install it.

Seems you enjoy working with incomplete data sets.

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Damn. I got a lead pipe laying around here somewhere.

Whoey Louie wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

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No, as it was related to me by a friend, however, I would love to shove one up your ass and energize it from my Dryer outlet.

Go update your lits, punk.

Bill Sloman wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

One building, six restrooms (two genders so 12) and two shower rooms each, up 24/7/365.

A full roof panel would not provide enough even for the sinks alone, much less the showers.

Remember. no tank. So 1200 Watt POU units firing off every few seconds at up to 70 sinks, and a couple showers.

Dat's a lotta juice.

And solar setups with such huge up and down swing as loads nearly always requires a battery bank for a buffer.

Yes. Ones which heats *enough* water to wash hands at a useful temperature. There is no way that 1.2kW will cut the mustard other than in one of those tacky little under sink badly lagged tins.

With delta_T = 50 and you get a dribble of 60ml/s in HWOD.

Even a 6kW system only gives you 300ml/s which isn't much.

It takes around 6kW *minimum* to get cold mains water from 10C to a suitable temperature for a hot water tap.

Heat capacity of water is 4.2kJ/kg and you have to get it from mains water 10C to 60C so that requires 210kJ/kg for a 1L handwash.

Space and water heating are both more cost effective using gas.

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