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Sociopaths tend to do stuff like that.

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I agree that persons who engage in criminal conduct while in office, or who permit and support criminal behavior of their support staff, should not continue in office.

Nixon resigned under those conditions - apparently, in thsoe terms, the last honest President.

Do you apply the same standard to Republicans?

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Not really, that was just to prevent being the first President to ever successfully be impeached.

Again, mis-use of terms... "impeach" is to "indict".

Success at prosecution of the Articles of Impeachment is REMOVAL from office.

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So should Reagan have been tossed out? How about GWB?

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No criminal behavior that I can think of though--you can't prosecute executives without it.

Al Gore comes to mind... (election law felonies, 1996(?)) Oh, and "Filegate," one of the most despicable abuses of power ever...but then that was the Hildebeest, wasn't it?

Cheers, James Arthur

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Don't forget about Andrew Johnson. (1868). Here's a list for next time...

Nixon resigned becuase it was the right thing for the country. (I think he knew it.) Ford pardoned him for the same reason, though it would take 25 years for the rest of the country to come around to that way of thinking.

My view: Cheney should definitely be impeached, (too bad we don't use tar and feathers anymore..)

GW? - Substitute oil for the tar and we've got a deal. GT? - (George Tenet, former CIA Director), would have been nice. (But I'm not sure he held an impeachable office? Maybe Jim knows...)

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You seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am a Democrat.

Or was that just a general response for the record?

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Nader for President... for all you goof balls ;-)

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I'm in the rest of the country, and I can't foresee ever coming around to that way of thinking.

Given the precedent, w giving cheney a midnight pardon would not be a surprise, and would be, apparently, not legally contestable.

In recent decades, it has gotten harder to find a President who has not abused his position or underlings or both.

Reagan pushed for and achieved forfeiture laws that allow confiscation of property that is suspected to have been used for drug dealing, and the owner has to do legwork to get it back, even after being found not guilty in court or not charged with a crime.

And the Valerie Plame incident is an example of how low our current President stoops.

I am aware of BS as far back as Lincoln, but I noticed a sudden uptick in political polarization in getting Supreme Court justices onto the bench after January 1981.

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I remember that the Philadelphia Daily News (with very populist-leftist editorials) had an editorial advising Clinton to disclose everything, down to veterinary medical records of his family cat Socks. If not achieving anything else, such a "full disclosure" would buffalo all lawyers involved with so much evidence and paperwork so that chances are low that anyone could say anything soon without being caught sooner-or-later at saying something prematurely.

However, I see so much of erring on the side of not disclosing - makes people suspicious that something is being hidden. Makes me think that admissions are what lawyers sieze upon, and skeletons in the closet are supposed to not be a problem until a warrant naming them is served. But how do I look good by dragging things out without disproving posession of a skeleton?

I seem to think that this is one area where France does well. High politicians do not get pulled down there for "sexual immorality" (my words). I think they do (or in recent decades did) badly in other areas, such as privacy of electronic communications, Internet access, and engineering aspects of bicycles (at times there are right ways, wrong ways, standard ways, and the French way) - and my highschool French teacher told me to not drink French beer! But I think the French know better how to evaluate politicians!

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Nope, I don't assume you're one thing or another; those were just the first, most recent examples of wrong-doing in high office I could think of.

Overall it's my impression the bad apples are distributed roughly equally, but that Republicans get more ink. Haven't strictly counted though--who can (or wants to) keep up with all that nonsense?

Cheers, James Arthur

I think Reagan (along with Congess then) flouted the Constitution with drug forfeiture laws, and with help of recent appointees the Supreme Court upheld such BS!

Why should the Monica Lewinsky incident be a better reason for impeachment then?

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I think that the Monica Lewinsky incident got as much ink as all prior Presidential improprieties since maybe Lincoln! That even took attention away from "Boskin Commission" redefining inflation measurement as published as "Consumer Price Index" to cause lack of recording of inflation if families have to switch to cheaper products as a result of prices outpacing wages. For example, lack of inflation was proposed to be recorded if prices of ice cream and frozen yogurt went up, but purchasing patterns shifted towards whichever was cheaper in order to conserve income. I don't even know yet which of the Boskin Commission proposals were adopted and which were not - the newspapers were more concerned with all kinds of details of the Monica Lewinsky incident and impeachment proceedings!

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Does your memory fail you a lot like this?

Hint for Reagan: Think about "Arms Export Control Act".

--you can't prosecute

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Bush will pardon Cheney one day before he leaves office. Bush will then resign making Cheney president so Cheney can pardon him.

Bush learned the lesson of Nixon very well. They burned the tapes.