Re: moon race

Nov 14, 2023 Last reply: 2 years ago 3 Replies
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>>>>> This makes no sense to me. Who cares if China or India waste a
>>>>> trillion dollars "establishing norms" on the moon? How many kids are
>>>>> going hungry to bring back more boring moon dirt?
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>>>>> And "space" is pretty big. Nobody is going to dominate space. >>>>
>>>> It's 21st century circus for the fools...both of those places are in dire need of freeing up the geniuses distracted by that waste to work on more pressing down to Earth problems, like feeding themselves.
>>> One argument is that spending resources on NASA equivalents bootstraps
>>> technology in a poor country. I think they have that backwards. >>
>> They're missing the historical context of the western model which is industrial sector expertise bootstraps the big scientific programs, not the other way around.

Not true. Science discovers things and industry eventually exploits them. It is sometimes the case that to solve a scientific problem new kit is developed by manufacturers but most of the time academic researchers budgets are so low that they make do with what they can get cheaply plus a lot of time and graduate students working for peanuts.



> Yes, science usually follows invention.

Nonsense. Science invents and discovers new things that have no apparent usefulness at the time of their discovery. It is usually a few decades before industry even gets remotely interested in such breakthroughs.


Concrete example Rutherford worked on radioactivity because he was advised by his supervisor that there was no real future in Hertzian waves as they would never amount to anything very much. In both instances it was about 4 decades before they really took off big time. He is much less well known for his work on radio waves.


Same with the invention of the laser which initially required an insane configuration of very expensive perfect ruby crystal with a custom made flash gun wrapped around it. What earthly use would that ever be? Now we are surrounded by kit that relies on laser light to function.

Case in point: AI. The technologies that are being touted, today, were taught to us 40+ years ago. But, the rest of the computing world was too big (mainframes and some minis) and too slow to make use of any of this in anything more than a classroom setting.

Now, I can put more horsepower in an earbud than was available to support an entire class of students! Suddenly, the technology and industry jump on the bandwagon...

Industry is often naive in assessing applications. Didn't DEC think the market for "computers" was (initially) in the single digits?

We used to build multi-decade counters out of discretes... large stacks of perf-board just to add a few more bits tied to Nixie displays.

"Why would anyone ever NEED these to fit on a fingernail? You still have all the display stuff to deal with..."

And MCUs/SoCs to perform functions that would previously have been done with discrete logic/analog functions.

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in fairness, at the time that was the market size.

It wasn't DEC but IBM

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and back in 1943 when DEC hadn't been thought of.

And at the time IBM - international business machines - had been selling mechanical computing gear for thirty years so they should have known that there was a lively market for computing engines but lacked the insight to realise that electronic computing engines could do a better job than their mechanical predecessors.

"IBM was founded in 1911 in Endicott, New York; as the Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (CTR) and was renamed "International Business Machines" in 1924".

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