Rant - Bad (Chinese) engineering

Dec 30, 2010 52 Replies

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

I bought an assortment of 1% 1/4 watt resistors from a Chinese source on ebay. They came in strips of 100 each value. Only about 1 of 100 were within tolerance.

I guess that's their idea of 1% tolerance.

;-)

Sounds like something RadioShaft would have done. A floor sweeping grab bag.

Over $10,000? How many are you ever going to see in use?

For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!

$10K hasn't been a lot for a scope for thirty years. In the early '70s, a full-boat 7904 was easily twice that. ...in different dollars.

This one costs $25.000:

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And if you buy active probes and other accessory, it could be easily going up to $50.000 (a 50 GHz active probe costs more than a good x GHz scope, x $10.000 scope, because they need it for SDI and other high speed applications. But if you don't need it full-time, it would make more sense to rent it when you need it.

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I see lots in use, regularly. Not that I'd always spent that much if it was my decision. So far I could scope everything I needed with the Tek

7704, the 200MHz Taiwanese DSO, or a 1GHz boat anchor DSO I landed via silent auction at a factory fire sale.

The 7704A is still in use here. So Michael, there :-)

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If we ever get another decent sized project, I'm planning on lobbying for a MSO3034, which is about $14K with the SPI/I2C and I2S support. Then, when the firmware types slip schedules I'll tell management that they should have had the scope so they could see what's happening. ;-)

For some reason I never liked the 7704A. The only one I bought was one of the split ones, with the A/Ds in the middle section (the original DPO - Digital Processing Oscilloscope).

Well, Tek just launched a 100Gs/s scope. AFAIK its >$100k excluding matching probes. I guess some people are going to buy those.

Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------

But those were the only way to get the performance you needed. Today, there are alternatives.

For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!

'So there' isn't a new scope.

For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!

Rental is OK, but at the end you have little to show for it. One place I worked had about 100 Leader 508 scopes in the metrology system. They were used wherever possible. They were over 20 years old, and sold new for about $500. There were about 35 newer scopes, mostly in engineering which didn't do a thing to help on the production floor where they were used all day, every day.

For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!

Of course they will, but how many?

For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!

I have an old Leader that I dearly loved, but it's lost focus. I'm considering sending it in for refurb. ...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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Archie will buy a dozen. He personally buys only the finest. He stacks them up like cord wood, just to make sure he has backups. Right Archie?

Certainly, but the performance point has just shifted. $10K is *not* a lot to spend on a scope. Like I said earlier, even the MSO3034 is about $13K. It's

*certainly* not top-o'-the-line.

So, sort of a Dear Leader?

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Truly... it's really analog :-) ...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Have you checked the resistors in the intensity/focus divider chain? I repaired a lot of scopes with just a couple new resistors in that circuit.

For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!!

I should open it up myself first. ...Jim Thompson

| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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Yup. Check the value of resistors with HV DC across them... likely one or more have shifted in value.

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

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