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Here's 130+ years of snowpack measurements, up near Donner Summit.

It's erratic as heck, but there's no gross long-term trend. A few years of drought aren't uncommon.

We're having big fires mainly because people keep putting out small fires.

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There was a documentary on PBS not too long ago.(*) A guy cored a bristle-c one pine for some fool study, counted the rings, and discovered he'd just cored the OLDEST LIVING THING ON EARTH.

Nice work, genius.

(*) This might be it:

Cheers, James Arthur

YES! CA blew it when they fired Smoky.

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Oh, pardon my recollection, he took a chainsaw and CUT DOWN the oldest living thing on earth, a 5,100 year-old tree. For a global warming study.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Wasn't that 55 years ago? It was a different global warming under study.

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I've encountered ancient bristlecones in the wild, high in the Sierra Nevad a.

They're sacred. National treasures.

Cheers, James Arthur

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Huh, James, you're a treehugger then? :^) George H.

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What does that have to do with your false claim that a global warming resea rcher killed a pine? When it turns out this happened a half century ago and had nothing at all do with the modern study of global warming...

Bristlecones are not very huggable.

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Grin, all the more reason they are in need of our affection then.

Years ago my future wife and I were hiking in Yosemite, someone had told her that the ponderosa pines smelled like pineapples, and we were wandering around in a grove of them sticking our noses into the big cracks.

Not quite a hug, but still affectionate. :^)

George H.

Don't tease us. DO they smell like pineapples?

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Oops a Jeffrey pine it appears...

Us easterners can't tell one big pine tree from another.

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No one is interested in your untutored amateurish attempts at interpreting data or doing research...

I must own 100 or so pine trees, but I don't know if they are Jeffreys; all plants look pretty much alike to me, wood and green bits. I have trouble with faces, too; my brain only works well on schematics.

I'll find out if ours are Jeffs, and maybe sniff a few. As far as I can recall, they smell like pine oil.

Gosh, Fred, you are such an amusing, delightful fellow. You must really enjoy life.

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As Fred has pointed out, actually a 1966 study of what actually happened in North America during the little ice age. The information collected is of i nterest to current anthropogenic global warming researchers, but anthropoge nic global warming was a pretty tentative hypothesis back in 1966, and back then nobody was cutting up trees as a source of data on the subject.

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To whom?

does suggest that you mean that they don't have any intrinsic value, but ga in significance by some kind of attachment to some other entity which you h aven't bothered to specify.

Why? Who would notice if they weren't there any more? Or get any more upset about it than you did about getting rid of the passenger pidgeon?

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That is one tough tree. Thankfully some ass never harvested the 500 year old specimens to build a ...hot tub...or something.

Bill, you have no soul. And you have no scientific curiosity. You are dead thing. The dinosaurs are no longer here but we know that they existed. Why do we study them if we didn't care what knowledge we can gain from that study? I thought, erroneously, that you were intelligent. But now I see that you are simply a good writer and a devil's advocate.

There's no practical knowledge to be gained from studying the dinosaurs. Th e best excuse the paleontologists have to offer is that it gets kids intere sted in science, anything beyond that is phooey. You wouldn't know a bristl e cone from a thistle cone and would just as soon break off a 3,000 year ol d branch for your campfire to roast pig dogs or marshmallows in a weak atte mpt to create memories for that sorry ass existence you call a life.