pretty OT: boats

Sep 09, 2020 68 Replies

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Obviously. But this is something that would help the grid, and they'd pay the car owner for the service.

Until they realise how much the grid is likely to pay for the use of the battery in this way.

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It goes back to 1987. Dutch teams have won it quite frequently so we heard about it from time to time when we lived in the Netherlands. It's a totally impractical form of transport, but an exceptionally good educational opportunity.

Airplane wings offer more surface area.

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There seem to have been a lot of discussions that went on when Dan wasn't paying attention.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

I forgot that every thing has to be spelled out for Bill. I assume the rest of the readers of this newsgroup were able to understand what I was suggesting.

Dan

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o replace they will never consider burning them up with this sort of plan.

to use the batteries in parked electric cars for grid storage, the batteri es will become much cheaper to replace - the car manufacturers may want to price them as single-sourced spare parts, but they won't be able to get awa y with it.

and the EV manufacturers will revoke your 100,000-mile warranty.

all sort of thing that the electric vehicle manufacturers might try to do to rip off their customers, but if society as a whole sees the sense in usi ng the batteries in parked electric cars for grid storage - once most cars are electric the parked cars could deliver something like four or five tim es the peak output from the grid for some hours - the electric vehicle manu facturers aren't going to have that option.

er telling us that this doesn't make sense to you. Few things do.

Hey SL0W MAN,

There you go AGAIN - repeating the insult "stupid" (at least you spelled it right this time!), a sure sign of a TROLL.

Who the hell is going to "pay" for it? You socialists just don't understand that the only one who can pay is the CONSUMER, one way or another. The bot tom line is that battery storage of energy is VERY EXPENSIVE - nat gas is M UCH CHEAPER.

ut it's not so simple as putting boards in the cars.

gulatory issues. Try connecting a solar generation capability that isn't 10

0% hard wired. It won't be approved for you to throw the switch. not

ay the car owner for the service.

o replace they will never consider burning them up with this sort of plan.

e battery in this way.

e car roofs. That could either extend the range of the car or reduce the am ount of batteries needed.

ard about it from time to time when we lived in the Netherlands. It's a tot ally impractical form of transport, but an exceptionally good educational o pportunity.

't paying attention.

est of the readers of this newsgroup were able to understand what I was sug gesting.

Forget about SL0W MAN understanding anything - he already has the solution looking for a problem.

Adding solar panels to a car's roof MIGHT produce 0.8 KWh per day (not much if you park in a parking garage or if buildings block the sunlight). That will get you about 2.3 mi for Tesla Model 3 at a cost of around $2,000 to $

3,000 because you would have to use flexible modules. And most of the time you would not need it because you can recharge at night.

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but it's not so simple as putting boards in the cars.

regulatory issues. Try connecting a solar generation capability that isn't

100% hard wired. It won't be approved for you to throw the switch. not

pay the car owner for the service.

to replace they will never consider burning them up with this sort of plan .

the battery in this way.

the car roofs. That could either extend the range of the car or reduce the amount of batteries needed.

heard about it from time to time when we lived in the Netherlands. It's a t otally impractical form of transport, but an exceptionally good educational opportunity.

sn't paying attention.

rest of the readers of this newsgroup were able to understand what I was s uggesting.

n looking for a problem.

ch if you park in a parking garage or if buildings block the sunlight). Tha t will get you about 2.3 mi for Tesla Model 3 at a cost of around $2,000 to $3,000 because you would have to use flexible modules. And most of the tim e you would not need it because you can recharge at night.

Hmm. I was thinking a lot more power. Say 2 kw peak power and parked at work fo r 8.5 hours. So maybe 8 kwh. or 10 times your estimate. So maybe a $600 a year Not really worth while at this time. Maybe reasonable ten years fr om now.

Why do you say it would have to be flexible panels?

Dan

On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 13:15:41 UTC-7, snipped-for-privacy@krl.org wrote: ...

2kW peak might need ~140 sq feet of panels. That's much more than the available space on a car. Add in the loss due to unfavourable aspect most of the time or shading due to clouds etc and you will need even more area.

The weight of the panels and the compromises to aerodynamics may reduce efficiency to the point that they are a net loss.

Most cars are not comprised of flat surfaces.

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Sure. Dan was suggesting that he doesn't have much grasp of reality. Nothing new there.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

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but it's not so simple as putting boards in the cars.

regulatory issues. Try connecting a solar generation capability that isn't

100% hard wired. It won't be approved for you to throw the switch. not

pay the car owner for the service.

to replace they will never consider burning them up with this sort of plan .

the battery in this way.

the car roofs. That could either extend the range of the car or reduce the amount of batteries needed.

heard about it from time to time when we lived in the Netherlands. It's a t otally impractical form of transport, but an exceptionally good educational opportunity.

sn't paying attention.

rest of the readers of this newsgroup were able to understand what I was su ggesting.

ch if you park in a parking garage or if buildings block the sunlight). Tha t will get you about 2.3 mi for Tesla Model 3 at a cost of around $2,000 to $3,000 because you would have to use flexible modules. And most of the tim e you would not need it because you can recharge at night.

Even Flyguy can spell it out for Dan. And is stupid enough to waste the tim e to do it.

Bill Sloman, Sydney

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