President 'has four years to save Earth'

The cause for their "prophecies" is their questionable mental state. Usually this worsens over time, and is in no way limited except by the finite nature of inidvidual life. And then they'll find new way's for others to celebrate their illness.

Save the earth. No problem. Nothing serious is going to happen to the earth. The environment may become inhospitable for a few parasitic species (h*mo sapiens) for a time. But in the long run, the earth will do just fine. Probably better, in fact.

I wouldn't be too hopeful. The same nitwits who are now convinced that anthropogenic global warming doesn't exist - because they don't fancy the comsequences of doing something effecitve about it - would be equally hard to persuade that it was irreversible, and would vociferously insist that something should be done.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

The queation is not whether the (converted) skeptics will be quiet, but whether the true believers (that know it is too late then) will be quiet.

Gawd! I hope so ;-)

...Jim Thompson

NONE of you! NOTHING ANY of us does will matter on 12-20-2012

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Except for my student loans :'(

Tim

Your problem is in your assignment of the catagories "true beleiver" and "sceptic". Todays' "sceptics" are people who haven't considered the evidence in sufficient detail and with sufficient attention, and - as one of them - you exhibit a foolish confidence in dismissing the opinions of those who have dug a little deeper, and write them off as "true believers", as if a small mountain of scientific evidence is to be equated with Joseph Smith's revelantions fom the book of the Moroni.

Since it now suites you to believe that anthropogoenic global warming doesn't exist, you and your self-indulgent friends have seized on denialist propaganda as a excuse to continue with business as usual. When reality it catches up with you, you can be expected to seize on some equally silly delusion and trumpet it to the roof-tops. Granting your weakness in critical analysiis, you won't notice that the while the story is claimed to have been written on sheets of gold, nobody can actually find the book.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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If global warming is true - it is impossible to really determine if man is doing it. If man is really doing it - it is impossible to get people to stop it.

All that is going to happen is a bunch of whacko liberal ideas will rammed down our throats all in the name of "Protecting the planet".

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Actually you can fairly easily show that on energy balance grounds the main thing that was responsible for the changes in the last 3 decades of the 20th century has to be a change in greenhouse forcing. We have had satellite measurments of solar flux for that period so you cannot just handwave away the increased global temperature by claiming changes in solar output. Even the sceptical scientists agree on this observational evidence (provided they are not lecturing at right wing "think" tanks).

Sadly I think that is probably true. The only real chance is if the effects of AGW hit some major lobby group like farmers in the USA really hard and for several years in a row. Then there is a chance that something might get done. The recession will at least stem the sale of gas guzzlers and encourage a push towards fuel efficiency.

Now that America has elected a president with a brain we will have to wait and see what he can acheive.

Even Exxon has been forced to back track on its pure denialist antiscience lobbying after open letters from various scientific institutions and the Rockerfeller family applied pressure at the last shareholder meeting. It seems that even some oilmen care a little bit about stewardship of the planet.

Regards, Martin Brown

Stop feeding shit to the troll, you're smelling up the place.

...Jim Thompson

I don't think so. Unemployment is up 2%. Gas prices are down 50%. Detroit is putting its R&D into plugin electrics, which hardly anyone will buy.

Or about public relations.

John

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Oh, the Demonicrats in congress will. ...with our money.

They really don't care. They'll make money on either side of the bet.

It's quite possible to place good odds on it. If you need to review the facts, then do so. If you are looking for proof, you'll have to find something other than science to do it. That isn't its business.

We understand the radiation physics fairly well, have satellites in space monitoring insolation fairly directly (discounting instrument aging, accumulation of "crud" on the optical aperatures, etc.) as well as longwave and shortwave radiation away from the earth; we have a pretty good idea of just how much CO2 is being pumped into the atmosphere (when people produce or pay for things they tend to account for them, too) and we know a lot about how C14 isotope is produced naturally and that no C14 resides in the petroleum products pumped from the earth so the dilution effect maches well with what we understand about these things. Honestly, that's only the smallest smattering -- like many things, such as science pretty much closes the book that the theory of evolution is quite correct in most every important detail; there is an abundance of evidence and solid theory to support the assignment. All you need to do is study a little and you will see far more than what I wrote above. The case is quite convincing.

Of course, to one sufficiently ignorant all things are equally possible and there is no way to choose. That's your circumstance, I gather.

Jon

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The evidence is persuasive, to those who know enough to understand it.

Probably not. We've got rid of acid rain, and the ozone hole seems to be shrinking, at last.

More likely, you will be reminded that you can't afford to continue to import oil at the current rate, and will be persuaded to do your patriotic duty to organise your lives in a way that uses rather less energy, and mostly energy which can be generated without burning fossil carbon. You may even get to like smog-free air, quiet electric cars and commuting from city centre to city centre on really fast trains.

Building high speed rail network is just the kind of investment in infra-structure that your country needs at the moment, Sad that none of your venture capitalists can see how to make a profit out of such a system. Spain has recently built up such a system, and it is getting to be remarkably popular.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Don't be silly. You haven't got any money left, and large overseas debts.

OPEC has just dropped the price of oil just enough to reverse your recent interest in electric cars; as soon as the development programs have been dismantled, the price will go up again.

You are more likely to find them reaming out your pockets in the name of retrieving the balance of payments; claiming to be protecting the planet may be a way of sugaring the pill, but your fundamental problem is that you are spending more than you are earning, and oil imports are an extravagance you can't afford. You once had something that was fine and good, but now you've spent it.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

On Jan 20, 2:06=A0pm, Jon Kirwan wrote: .

Another nice thing about believing in global warming is that it gives you a superior intellectual station in life!

Terrifying, until you compare it to other countries.

We'll have to print a lot less than most other countries to get out of trouble. And we have a lot of young, hard-working folks to keep things rolling along. Many of the recent college grads I've met are astonishing... we'll be truckin' along nicely for generations to come.

You're getting like donkeybreath: don't know much about electronics, just come here to insult Americans, mostly with bad data.

John

I think you are confusing cause and effect.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen