PCB capacitance

Dec 10, 2013 15 Replies

I have a circuit board, 4 layers, L2 being ground, 12 mils of FR4 between L1 and ground.



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I was wondering what is the parasitic capacitance across R13.



So I found a bare board with a similar geometry.



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I measured 0.05 pF between the pad pair in the center, 3T measurement.



Adding a 1Meg 0603 resistor, it went up to 0.085 pF.



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(used my faithful pale green Boonton 72)


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On a sunny day (Mon, 09 Dec 2013 21:37:04 -0800) it happened John Larkin wrote in :

Try again with a pink one.

Just for grins,try a 10Meg resistor..you may be in for a small surprise.

I've put the gear away, so it would be inconvenient. What do you think would happen?

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

I was half asleep; also use a 1pF and a 10pf capacitor (0603 natch). 10meg R should make little change, 1pF and 10F should add a small amount,theoretically (Cadd plus your 0.085pF) in parallel to "original"

0.085pF.

I'm doing a 3-terminal capacitance measurement between those pads, so any cap that I put in parallel with that resistor will add linearly to what I'm measuring. Pad-to-ground capacitance isn't as important in this circuit as pad-pad.

The Boonton is great. I ran coaxes out about 2 feet, and transitioned to homemade probes, hardline coax with a bit of center conductor poking out. Boonton ground is connected to the PCB ground plane. I almost touch the probes to the pair of pads, zero the Boonton, then touch down. The low range is 1 pF full scale.

John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators

Often true--in TIAs and bootstraps, for example.

And once it's zeroed, it sits there all afternoon reading 0.000 pF. (I have the digital version.)

Beautiful.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

I had a meter like that once. ;-)

Bless you. It's folks that surplus good kit that have made my lab what it is. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

Errr... he might mean that the fuse was blown.

Does it have a mirror behind the digits?

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser drivers and controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation

Of course. "I had a xxxx like that once" is an ancient gag line.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

No, which is a good thing--otherwise I might fall in love with my reflection. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Whoosh... right over my head. Thanks.

Yeah, they're widely available on eBay for $100-$200. I have two 72BD digital ones and a 72A analogue one. Total price: $456 plus $67 shipping (three separate orders). Really great gizmos.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net

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