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And draws his own water from a well, isn't connected to mains sewage or the telephone system, and doesn't enjoy the protection of the US armed forces.

Ken S. Tucker does seem to be a mythical figure - the figment of a creative imagination.

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Hate to break the news to you, but lots of people have their own well and are not connected to mains sewage. That would be me for one.

Dan

Yeah, that could be a "s***ty" situation when things go wrong! :)

It's brown trout season boys!

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It's a little harder to avoid the protection of the US armed services, and there's always the 3% of the carbon footprint that's put down to financial services - 0.6 of ton of CO2 per year for US residents. For a US resident to claim to have got their carbon footprint down to 1 ton of CO2 requires some serious wishful thinking.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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No so difficult if your house has three septic tanks - all now out of use - under the drive outside the garage. You don't have to live that far out of town in Australia for a septic tank to be the usual way of dealing with sewage, so I've been familiar with the concept since I was a child

Meanwhile Ken is generating his own electricity without burning fossil carbon, and paying for his internet connection with cash? His claimed

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I am a bit confused on the 0.6 tons of CO2 for financial services for U.S. residents. Are you saying that all U.S. residents use the same amount of financial services?

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I'm sure you use as much as Warren Buffet :)

Anybody who posts here is going to use the banking system, and that's basically all infra-structure. It's energy consumption isn't going to vary all that much with volume of work it is handling, so it makes sense to spread it's CO2 footprint over everybody who uses it.

The system as whole is going obviously going to be bigger than it would be if it were just dealing with individual depositors, but the individual depositors also benefit from the large scale financial transactions that the banks also handle, so it wouldn't make much sense to try to spread out the CO2 footprint on the basis of individual transactions - it's a network and a database rather than a collection of machines handling a series of discrete and isolated transactions.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Probably not. But there aren't that many Warren Buffets, and he doesn't have his own private corner of the banking system that isn't used by anybody else. The banking system is a network and a database that derives pretty much all its utility from being connected to everybody, which constraint largely dictates its size and performance

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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You don't have to go that far back in history to get that level of technology. My father grew up on a farm with no electrical power, water from a spring, sewage into the roadside ditch, farm machines powered by horses, and heating and cooking fuel cut from the woodlot up the hill. The biggest contributions to the global CO2 load were the telephone batteries and the kerosene lanterns.

That ended with electrification in 1947 and the more or less concurrent purchase of a pickup truck and a chain saw.

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That's not the way a septic tank works - as Ken S Tucker would be aware if he actually had one. I've never actually lived anywhere where our sewage went into an on- site septic tank. The previous owners of our current house used to get a local pig-farmer to come and pump out the undigested residue in the bottom of the tanks every couple of years. That residue got added to the slurry from the pig farm and dealt with as prescribed by the Dutch ministry of agriculture - pig farming in the Netherlands is bottle- necked by the problem of getting rid of the sewage, and there are lots of rules.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

By this reasoning since we live in a global environment, it makes sense to spread the CO2 footprint over everyone in the world.

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Let's put our 'green' 'thinking' hats on. Bill's not conserving, and there's no point in us conserving if he won't--he's made that clear-- so gee, how *do* we solve this? Hmmm, a Mongol invasion perhaps?

Study: Genghis Khan's Mass Killings Cut Carbon Footprint

-- Cheers, James Arthur

Financial services are primarily national. It might make some sense to treat the Euro zone as a single unit - the local banks don't charge much extra if I pay some-one in Germany by interbank transfer, but they do charge more.

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Jame's Arthur's thinking hat has obviously passed its sell-by date

Nor joining in any "children's crusade" that hasn't any chance of doing anything effective.

There's no point in your conserving, whether or not I joined in - it isn't going to do anything useful to slow down anthropogenic global warming.

The answer is easy enough - tax fossil carbon fuel at a level that makes sustainable energy sources economically attractive - but it doesn't fit James Arthur's ideology of choice, so he can't see it as an answer.

A solution which would work. Get rid of enough human beings and you've obviously got rid of anthropogenic global warming. There are solutions which are compatible with the continued existence of the human race, but James Arthur prefers the final solution, probably because it is the only one that is simple enough for him to understand.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijegen

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Naturally--children conserve, 'real' men burn, right?

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If I do a dollar payment the payment goes through New York. Since most trade is in dollars then the costs should be allocated across the world, particulary to China and Japan.

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Children can be sold on all sorts of silly ideas - religion depends on it. Really stupid men do burn things - Exxon-Mobil woould be a prime example - and you seem to share their prejudices

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You really do need a remedial reading course. The Mongol invasion is a trivial solution - any fool can eliminate anthropogoenic global warming by eliminating the anthropogenic apes that are doing the warming. It is an effective solution, but not one that anybody in their right mind would contemplate, let alone recommend.

The US supported the Shah in Persia, Saddam Hussein in Irak and Mubarak in Egypt. One of these days your diplomatic service may learn how to pick out sustainable administrations, but it seems that your guys will have to work through a few more examples before you get the idea that multiparty democracies tend to be more stable than one party states.

Who knows, you might even adopt the idea in the US.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen