OT: "unsalted" butter

It's actually getting hard to find real ice cream at a store, and impossible to get by the half gallon, even if it's "cold desert product" and made of newspapers, air and nutrasweet.

Look at the contents of a box of iodized table salt.

Sugar is now an ingredient. Go figure.

Not so long ago, it included Al salts as desiccant, until people started panicking about links between Al and Alzheimer's.

RL

If all the above were anywhere close to being true, there would be no such thing as a predator.

And Pleistocene cavemen would not have left piles of slaughtered mastodon bones, etc.

Nor would there be Eskimos.

This did happen, in the 1970s. At the time, PR did not tax companies at all, precisely to get them to come to PR and provide industrial jobs, PR living on the taxes on the newly increased incomes. This actually worked quite well, but I don't think that they still have that tax policy.

The products had to be high-tech enough to have a high value density, so air freight was economically practical.

That's in the range for Hagen Das in the Boston area. It's basically all cream, with a very short list of ingredients.

But PR is always warm, so the cows don't have to work that hard making milk, and less butterfat is OK.

Joe Gwinn

That is completely not true. It may sound logical to you somehow, but it literally makes no sense.

What followed cave men, aka, hunter gathers? Farmers. People who stopped hunting and roaming the earth to subsistence farm a very few domesticated crops. So I guess if your reasoning was somehow logical, even a dirt farmer with barely any tools can get by better than a hunter and so their diet must be better than the cave man's.

That is essentially why I am here. The problem it creates is with very little farming most food is imported which is not a good thing after a hurricane and the mainland government says you are on your own.

Yeah, like no one ships coal, oil, ore and other low value items. Ocean shipping is very expensive... not.

I can get it for $4-5 in the supermarkets in VA and MD or $3 on sale which is frequent. Maybe Boston has high taxes.

Not sure what you are saying with that. It's not about how hard they work, it's about how much they make.

Yes, but misses the point. Why did the men undertake the effort and risk of hunting big angry animals if gathering had sufficed?

Only farming was better, yielding large food surpluses for like effort (so one could get through winter as well), but farming then always included animal husbandry. More big animals to handle, but at least one can tame them. (Except for Zebras - often tried, never worked.)

Anyway, observing that the world basically does not buy the Vegan arguments and keeps on eating meat, I'm not interested in this debate either. So I will stop.

I know what the manufacturers of that day said, and did.

Lots of fancy instruments and computers were made there, but few big heavy machines. I'm going to assume that the manufacturers knew what their costs were.

Jones Act?

No, I'm guessing that the milk may have a lower buttermilk fraction in always-warm places. Although people have been making cheese everywhere forever, no matter how hot (like Mesopotamia), so any reduction cannot be that dramatic.

But you are right in that there has to be an economics reason. Follow the money.

Joe Gwinn

Animals did not provide just food, but hides for cloths and other things.

So like the American Indians the buffalo provided food to eat, and hides to make cloths and maybe the housing. Probably other things I am not aware of .

You have it backwards. The hunter-gatherers were the earlier group. That was given up for the benefits of planting crops. If it was nutritionally unsustainable, they would not have made the transition.

Not sure what "argument" you are talking about. People eat meat because they like it, not because they are focused on nutrition. They also consume too much fat, too much sugar, too much salt and too few vegetables by nearly every measure. Are they doing that for nutrition?

Yes, you can stop discussing this, but that doesn't make your points sound. I have investigated it thoroughly and I stand by the statement that nearly all vegetables are nutritionally complete in regards to protein intake. If you don't believe that look up a few at random. It's still a lot of work to even find the essential amino acid contents and get them into the right units, but the info is there.

I have no doubt of that, but it doesn't support any point since you don't say what those costs are. You are pretty much just hand waving here.

Another issue that most people talk about, but know nothing about. Here, you don't even talk about it, you just drop the name.

The key word there is "guessing". Seasons are long enough the impact on butter fat would be seasonal in places that have wider temperature variations. That's why I mentioned the fat content rising in the winter in the areas I'm from. Next time I speak with a friend who dairy farmed I'll ask.

Indeed.