OT: Idiot Power

Industrialised poverty isn't exactly an oxymoron, but once there's any significant industry around, poverty isn't as deep as it is in purely agricultural societies.

At present the US seems to be working on setting up a society where it can be almost as bad, but they haven't got there yet. Electing Trump might do it.

I would have big problems measuring poverty in a 'purely agricultural society'. Abundant food, wood for housing, fuel, (and medicinal herbs), but no measurable financial income.

If there's trend, then there's an intention. You're not going to change that through elections.

Assuming he's not even bigger a liar than Obama...

joe

You do seem to have a problem getting your head around even fairly simple concepts.

A purely agricultural society does have abundant food after the harvest comes in, if it's an abundant harvest. When the local crop fails, a more industrialised society can ship food in from an area where the crop hasn't failed.

India and China both had famines that killed millions in recent history, after they'd got railway networks.

The purely agricultural societies we had a thousand years ago tended to put annual starvation rings on the teeth of everybody except the aristocracy. That's not "abundant food"all the year around.

Amongst the people with political power.

Probably not in the US - the election results are too susceptible to expensive advertising to make it easy to use elections to move political power to a group that's more interested in long-term advantage.

I don't think that Obama is a liar. I do think that he only tries to make changes that he thinks can be achieved, which aren't all that dramatic, and a lot smaller than the kind of changes that seem to be necessary.

Trump is a performer. He says things that are designed to appeal to particular audiences. If he got into power, he'd have a different audience, and say different things.

His grasp, if he ever had any, never left the ditch.

Wait, that would imply work and that he has no grasp on.

Sorry for getting confused.

Jamie

Never heard of a Morgan? Wooden chassis rock!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The evil things dribble oil. There's a sliding joint in the front suspension that relies on a continuously refreshed film of oil.

And the Morgans weren't designed for Africa.

Everything you need to know to completely rebuild your Morgan after you drive it a few miles:

I know somebody who raced one. After a couple of years, there was no wood left in any area that was structurally significant. 4130 steel tubing, 316 stainless, and 2024 aluminum are your friends.

Place a financial value on each of their goods incomes, add it up. If necessary you can use US prices to get a relative comparison.

NT

might have been dug if the process were cheaper. You dig a ditch because - in the long term - you are going to make money out of it. If the cost of d igging the ditch is reduced, several ditches that wouldn't have been profit able at the old price now look profitable, and there will be more of whatev er it was that the ditch facilitated.

ugh to pass a course Kenny G taught.

. If the cost of digging was reduced, I would not have had several ditches per house.

No need to apologise. We know what to expect from you.