OT: Game

We're doing ten-level metal.

The vias tend to break under thermal stress if you try. Outcome, not good.

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  Keith

Sure, but the widget I work on is made in E. Fishkill (90nm/300mm).

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Is it permissible to send this out to my subcontractor in Taiwan and then submit the resulting high score as my own?

;-)

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Dang. But AIUI we still can't put one transistor on top of another, can we? I vaguely remember Integrated Injection Logic (I2L) involved psuedo stacking of active elements.

go

Do you happen to know what the limits are?

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Very cruel. Toss him a pizza every few days..... :-)

Ken

One can bury a lot, but I don't thignk two on top, yet. Density of transistors isn't the real problem. ...which, in part, is why more levels of metal.

I don't do PD, so no, but I might be able to ask. I do know cracked vias are a real problem. Redundant vias are stuck in for reliability.

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I moved out of the mid-hudson valley twelve years ago and haven't regretted it a minute. We *hated* NY. VT is getting on the nerves too.

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Next time you're going to be there let me know. I'll take you to lunch/dinner, schedule permitting.

Ed

have you considered calgary?

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Ken, Got any jobs for a PCB designer? I like your benefits, food breaks and even subsidized housing. You don't charge the employee for the company supplied meals or shelter, right? Can I get at least 15 minutes per day outside the cubicle for exercise? Is a hot plate in the cubicle allowed?

Brad

We had 4 layers of plated Gold in the processes I worked on. And we could open vias all the way down to combine all 4 layers into one. Can't say how it was/is with other processes.

Robert

No. Is there a reason we should? Interesting idea though, but on the wrong side of the borDER, eh. ;-)

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it's nice, near mountains, protected from the worst of the winter weather by those mountains, the lrt is kinda cool too.

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Well, now I am not sure Ken. The food breaks are a plus but my current employer doesn't charge for my cubicle. Do you allow pets? Could I bring along my pet Jr. designer, he is cubicle trained and wouldn't know how to open a door to escape. It would be an upgrade to have four solid walls but at what cost? 8^>

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under the door

though, no cubicles

way it's

Times for each level on my second round (I too have done some tough layouts):

1st level: 10 s 2nd level: 16 s 3rd Level: 31 s 4th Level: 1:24 5th Level: 2:57 (but had to fiddle around a bunch to find an overlapping // edge) 6th Level: 3:18 7th Level: 5:38 8th Level: 4:00 9th Level: 8:07 10th Level: 9:14 11th Level: 10:14 12th Level: 14:17

Clicked on a web site, and wiped out the game, so no more timings

Jeff

You want food *and* exercise? Sheesh! You get a pizza slid in under the door every two days and that's it. No expense spared on walls though, no cubicles here - full-sized cells!

And it comes off your pay-check. At least, that seems to be the way it's done. :-)

Ken

I've never been to Calgary, but have always wanted to get out that way. I'd never considered moving to the area (or anywhere in Canada, FTM). Work?

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  Keith

vancouver, olympics or some such, trademen seem to be scarce, but calgary does have a somewhat decent tech industry. there's a devry campus, i stiffed them on a grand 12 years back, i fully intend to pay them back, eventually.

might make you happy or depressed, dunno, i haven't checked the links, since i live on the other side of the country i have limited interest in employment there.

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I thought you had some interest there and were pointing me in that direction. Oh, well It is a nice place, but all accounts.

I'm looking more at the mid-west US, primarily because I have family there (and it's cheap).

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