One of man's greatest achievements

They use frequency modulated neutrinos. Good luck.

It's just government welfare to keep the crappy space agencies alive. Only a simple minded fool would take anything they say at face value. They're just a bunch of career liars and cheats.

Ike said "beware", not "banish."

I know. I don't give them any more credence than some guy posting in newsgroups.

Well, maybe a bit more.

Fred Bloggs snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

So, they lied and the telescope doesn't exist and we didn't go to the Moon in 1969?

That we can see back to the surface of last scattering of the Big Bang means that everything that it between that and us is in principle if we choose the right wavelength to look for it.

Lyman alpha is a nice bright UV line in our rest frame but by the time you get towards the edge of the universe it is well into the infra red.

Seeing what the first galaxies looked like experimentally will put very tight constraints on the theoreticians models.

It can perhaps look back to the point where the first stars and galaxies were forming and right into nearby dense molecular clouds where stars are forming today. That is a very long way from the edge of the universe.

That is a little unfair. Big Bang cosmology (a derogatory name coined by Fred Hoyle to mock it) has gone a long way to explaining how things are as they are and why we are living in such a complex universe.

I recommend Martin Rees's book "Just Six Numbers" if you haven't already read it as a popular level introduction to where we are at present.

We live in a golden age of observational astronomy where the new data puts very tight constraints on the imaginations of cosmologists.

I'm resigned to there being dark matter since otherwise galaxies would simply fly apart. Until comparatively recently you could have hidden it as chair legs, sticks or rhubarb or old biro pens but not any more. It now has to be something that doesn't interact with EM radiation.

But I still find dark energy rather difficult to stomach. My observational friends tell me it is real but TBH I would prefer to believe there was something odd about very earliest supernovas than to have the universe spontaneously accelerating of its own accord.

Big bang cosmology has altogether too many unphysical patches. It's just another creation myth instead of a coherent physical theory.

I predict we will discover ever more galaxies, with ever more extreme red shifts. There will be no "edge of the universe", no "recombination epoch".

Jeroen Belleman

There's a conceptually simpler alternative.

I suppose we can hope that dark energy might turn out to be some interaction that is equally difficult to think about.

We know there's a recombination epoch because (apart from the dipole term) the CMB has nearly the same temperature in every direction.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Well, of course! With every question we answer, two more questions arise from that answer. We will never have complete understanding of the universe as the concept of "complete understanding" is flawed. Asking questions of how the universe arose is a category error, asking a question of a property that does not exist in the context. We might as well be building a restaurant at the end of the universe.

What do you base your proposal on?

I predict we will make a discovery that will show many of our current questions to be invalid, but will result in many more new questions... even stranger. This will generate more demand for more exotic electronic equipment and at the same time make such equipment possible from the new physics discovered.

If you combine red shift with Olber's paradox, you also end up with a uniform thermal background at about the same temperature.

Jeroen Belleman

Jeroen Belleman snipped-for-privacy@nospam.please wrote in news:srh3hs$rb1$1 @gioia.aioe.org:

Hehe hehe hehehe He said 'coherent'

This dude wants us to think he understands the meaning of the term after saying that.

Just wait... the Big Shrink will finish us all off.

Coherently Cohesive shrinking. One 'tiny' mass.

Now that's some silly putty.

Anthony William Sloman snipped-for-privacy@ieee.org wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:

I look at the surface of a black coffee I just made. I stir it up to a fairly laminar fast pace stirring. Then, pour the creamer in very slowly right at the edge of the cup and it will not mix completely and you will see a "galaxy" form on the surface in the center. That effect is bound by gravity, but the mass of coffee under the "galaxy" is HUGE and it "stirs" or rotates the entire galaxy around as a whole (the velocity problem). Ok, so let's go 3D now.

Look at the Sombrero galaxy. VERY flat and most of what we call matter out near the fringe edges of "the disc". Think of that with a GIANT "hershey's Kiss" under it and another on top of it. Two big plops of dark matter spinning above and below the whole galaxy, and the galaxy itself (the part we call matter) is just a thin membrane sandwiched between those two enormous structures.

That is a very weak interaction but is able to spin the galaxy at the rate that causes cosmologists to declare it to exists.

So a Galaxy also has these two giant hershey's kiss shaped swirls of Dark matter above and below their equatorial plane that are many many times larger than the galaxy as we know it or see it.

What do you think of them apples?

But the red shift blows up Olbers' paradox.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

I can't say I appreciate Olber's paradox. Perhaps I've not seen a good explanation of it. I've often wondered myself why the sky is not more uniformly lit, but I reasoned that the more distant stars would be much weaker in appearance and so not make the sky uniformly bright. I had not considered that a red shift would also remove much of the light from the visible spectrum.

I suppose were it not for the red shift, Olber's concept of constant luminosity across the sky would make the entire sky the same brightness as the sun? Then the planets and the moon would appear to be holes in the brilliant sky. If fact, we would only know of the sun by the way it blocks our view of the planetary darknesses.

It's pretty clear you have little understanding of cosmology or even food. Hershey's kisses don't go with apples all that well. Besides, the rotation of the galaxies would turn the kisses into swirls of frozen yogurt.

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