Not Impressed with this New Format

Bye!

John

I said "Bye" in the most cheerful and hearty way possible. But I don't recall a lot of posts by "chemelec", much less a mineful of same.

John

Hi, Paul, welcome back. I can see you're in your "insult everybody and make a public jackass out of myself" phase, so I guess you're due for the "humble groveling" mode next.

It's nice that there are still some people around that you can depend on.

John

To what are you referring?

Are you one of those people that *thinks* of an orange and assumes everyone around you knows what you are on about ?

Gibbo

chemelec posted:

I think you've made two errors here.

The first, as others have pointed out, is that you aren't clear about what you are talking about.

From that I see your second error. You seem to assume that "Google groups" is Usenet, and the only way to see messages is through their system.

Usenet has been around for a quarter century, originall transporting messages over phone lines. Collect the posted messages at each site, and then pass then on in a batch to the next site, and so on until the messages propagate to all newsservers. It's only as the "internet" became more accessible that the messages were transported over it.

But it is still a distributed system, with each message existed on each newsserver that carries that newsgroup.

Back in 1996, as the web was still growing, Dejanews came along and decided to archive messages to the newsgroups. Because of the traffic levels, few or no newssevers had kept messages forever, choosing to delete after a certain time to make space for the new messages. Dejanews just decided to keep messages forever, so the messages were searchable.

Dejanews died a few years back, not getting enough revenue to sustain it. Google bought the archive and kept it going. They even found some independent archives, allowing for an archive that goes back to 1980 or so (though likely with some gaps).

But while you can search and read and post messages at google, you can read and post messages from any Usenet newsserver. Take out google, and you lose the archive (and a somewhat useful means of reading and posting messages if your ISP has dropped newsgroups), but Usenet does not go away.

On the other hand, this latest interface change at google seems to be an attempt to cover up Usenet, making it appear like "yahoo groups". Indeed, the very name "Google groups" suggests a web-based forum, and sometimes it seemed hard to see this distinction clearly made over there. Now, they've added their own local "groups", and the interface seems more in favor of that than newsgroups.

Michael

Fron your headers, I assume you're referring to google groups.

Why not use a proper new server and avoid their new lousy interface ?

Graham

Indeed? I find all *your* posts a waste of space. It's obvious he's talking about Google, FFS.

I don't think you know who you're dissin' here, John. This guy is a great designer and a real mine of useful info on the more exotic aspects of electronics.

If he posts a lot, he should consider subscribing to a good news server and running a good reader like Agent.

John

Precisely zero other than the one that started this thread on my news server currently.

Graham

Did a google search for chemelec, and then his name (Gary xxxxxxx) which shows up in the chemelec search, and I find dozens of posts in different similar forums.

| I gues it's this one:

OMG those animated gifs are *so* 1997!

I gues it's this one:

- YD.

Well, he is a bearded Canadian after all. :-])

He's more website-orientated. Check out the link Mark's posted lower down the thread.