Microsoft is a bunch of crooks and imbeciles, burned my copy of xp

On a sunny day (Tue, 01 Dec 2009 07:59:23 -0600) it happened Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote in :

Looking at Balmer I think more the opposite.

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Jan Panteltje
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It works fine, and comes with lots of software on the DVD. Debian would probably be better, but I've got used to SuSE again (after a couple of years dabbling with Mandrake/Mandriva) and it seems to be good enough.

-- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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Bill Sloman

product,.

over Redmond.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . It would be their only product range that didn't SUCK! ;-)

*EVERY* new product they have launched in the last decade has been BOHICA with no KY for the users for its first year or two. Eventually it will be killed off as soon as it is marginally usable or quietly forgotten about.
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IanM

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I have Suse and Debian Linux on removable packs for diagnostic purposes and file transfer on an old p4 machine, but not using linux for anything serious at present otherwise. Currently posting from a Sun Sparc Blade1000, Solaris 10, which I use for a lab server, software development and other client stuff. A df -k gives:

darkstar: df -k Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s0 20655353 4237952 16210848 21% / /devices 0 0 0 0% /devices ctfs 0 0 0 0% /system/contract proc 0 0 0 0% /proc mnttab 0 0 0 0% /etc/mnttab swap 6234440 1656 6232784 1% /etc/svc/volatile objfs 0 0 0 0% /system/object sharefs 0 0 0 0% /etc/dfs/sharetab /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s6 45440637 6675337 38310894 15% /usr /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1 20655353 4237952 16210848 21% /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr.so.1 /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/sparcv9/libc_psr/libc_psr_hwcap1.so.1 20655353 4237952 16210848 21% /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/sparcv9/libc_psr.so.1 fd 0 0 0 0% /dev/fd swap 6361768 128984 6232784 3% /tmp swap 6232840 56 6232784 1% /var/run /dev/md/dsk/d0 282364920 181386293 98154978 65% /export/nfs/raid-d0 /dev/md/dsk/d1 564766883 181343197 377776018 33% /export/nfs/raid-d1 darkstar:

A metastat command gives:

darkstar: metastat d1: RAID State: Okay Interlace: 32 blocks Size: 1146879360 blocks (546 GB) Original device: Size: 1146883712 blocks (546 GB) Device Start Block Dbase State Reloc Hot Spare c8t5d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes c8t6d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes c8t7d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes c8t8d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes c8t9d0s2 11850 Yes Okay Yes

d0: RAID State: Okay Interlace: 32 blocks Size: 573411048 blocks (273 GB) Original device: Size: 573414528 blocks (273 GB) Device Start Block Dbase State Reloc Hot Spare c8t0d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes c8t1d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes c8t2d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes c8t3d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes c8t4d0s2 10042 Yes Okay Yes

Device Relocation Information: Device Reloc Device ID c8t5d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c509d2af5 c8t6d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c50a802e7 c8t7d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c509d30e9 c8t8d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c509d31ae c8t9d0 Yes id1,ssd@n2000000c5076b0e2 c8t0d0 Yes id1,ssd@n200000203763032a c8t1d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf1708f4 c8t2d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf293162 c8t3d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf176331 c8t4d0 Yes id1,ssd@n20000004cf179db0 darkstar:

The blade 1000's have fibre channel on board and the system disk is a

73Gb split as above. The raid-d0, raid-d1 entries are raid 5 volumes on a separate qlogic controller. I'm using LabF nfsaxe for nfs client on the pc's and also the family machines indoors. d0 is mirrored to d1 by script weekly via rsync, so all critical data is effectively mirrored across two raid 5 volumes. Raid is done by volume manager in software and comes free on Solaris 10. Have been running sun kit since the early 90's and believe in supporting threatened species and Sun kit is also far better engineered than the average pc. Ever since the demise of Dec Alpha and Sgi on mips, the cpu gene pool has diminished to the point that there's little choice other than Intel, which I consider to be a Bad Thing :-). Diversity improves the breed etc.

The two lab pc's are a Dell 470 for media and a Compaq ML350G4 with raid controller for software development, to support embedded tools that don't run under unix. The ML350 still runs W2k, while the Dell runs xp pro. Windows does have it's uses and can be very, very reliable if properly locked down...

Regards,

Chris

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ChrisQ

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Obviously too much Steely Dan in the diet somewhere :-)...

Regards,

Chris

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ChrisQ

process,

clean disk,

Logitech mouse

product,.

Linux.

space...

drivers,

did not do

become a purpose in itself,

the hardware.

Do we still need an OS in the future?

application on each core.

Yes. When you have 1024 cores, with serious execution protection, the OS can be very simple and provably correct, and no context switching would be needed.

one core to the other.

Probably a modest local cache and some dedicated ram per core. All processors would surround a shared cache to the big ram.

run on any platform would be nice.

Drivers should run in protected mode too. A bad driver should not be allowed to trash anything.

MS, to ask if

the EU.

Yup.

John

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John Larkin

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the process,

n a clean disk,

Logitech mouse

a crap product,.

in Linux.

yeh, I never had any real problems with XP except when using hybernate on a crappy laptop.

except for the occational incompatibility of old software and the sometimes quirky uac which you could turn off, I seen no reason not to run vista if you have new hardware. I was skeptical in the beginning from all the bad press, but I've been using it for a long time now with no problems.

reviews sound alot better than vista, and vista just works so I see nothing to fear.

-Lasse

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langwadt

In the west Microsoft cut a deal with the manufacturers to provide XP for something like $15 per copy

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so these days I'd say at least 70% of netbooks in the west run XP. :-) (And of the remaining 30%, there's a mix of Linux and Windows 7 'Starter Edition').

---Joel

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Joel Koltner

On a sunny day (Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:29:13 -0800) it happened "Joel Koltner" wrote in :

Yes, would be a disappointing experience having a netbook with xp and auto-updates enabled on a GPRS connection :-) OTOH the modern ones can run 8 hours on a charge... You will need it. Have not seen win7 yet, could be worse.

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Jan Panteltje

$14 US in Asia, I was told in October.

Currently the limitations on what they'll allow XP to be installed on for that price are extreme- no more than 160G HDD, only 1G of installed RAM, no "hybrid" storage etc. etc.

There's another dark horse in the running at the low end.. "G".

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Spehro Pefhany

process,

clean disk,

mouse

product,.

You'll need good hardware to start with. A crappy PC will give trouble sooner or later. There is so much consumer shit on the market and people tend to think a pc is a pc which just isn't true.

I reboot my XP machine (build from components intended for workstations) 2 or 3 times per year because of software upgrades. Its on for the rest of the time. Linux is more forgiving on bad hardware, but it may lead to corrupted files in the end.

You'll need to upgrade every few years though...

Its a real miracle MS is still in business. Just for fun: type a word that spans several lines in MS Word. -crash-

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Nico Coesel

Wouldn't that be more like an antimiracle? ;-)

Cheers! Rich

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Rich Grise

I can't crash it. I just started Word 2007 and typed one word spanning half a page (holding down one key some minutes). No crash.

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Frank Buss

Word 2000, word 2002, no problems either. Linuxopatic obsession: linuxopaths can't help preaching Linux and cursing M$ on any occasion.

VLV

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Vladimir Vassilevsky

They do. It is called "Wallet Suck v7"

Doesn't even need to be plugged in to perform.

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Archimedes' Lever

I think the Xp mode requires virtualization support on the motherboard. But it is a free download.

Cheers

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Martin Riddle

e process,

clean disk,

itech mouse

rap product,.

Linux.

It you are used to running Windows software, you can put a "Windows compatibility" mode icon on the desk top. You just have to make a script something like this:

#!/bin/bash bsod -b -g

Check your man page for bsod for the parameters on your system.

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MooseFET

Now try to edit that word. I just tried it several times with Word

2003 and it crashes all the time.
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Nico Coesel

If you can reproduce it all the time, can you describe the steps to reproduce it? I've tried it with Word 2007 and no luck. I can type, cut, paste, enter characters inbetween, copy and paste over 3 pages etc., all one word without spaces, no crash.

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Frank Buss

Jan:

Does Linux make exact IMAGE copies of Windows drives that easily?

Does it need identical drive size?

Are there any outfits selling specifically installed Linux machines with fleshed out sound and DVD support?

Why did Wal-Mart stop selling installed Linux boxes?

Does Tiger Direct sell installed Linux boxes?

ChrisQ: Does Seagate Disk Wizard work to different size drives?

It's basically a relabeled version of a commercial program isn't it? Several of the commercial imager SW packages are known to be buggy.

Is it true that many newer big hard disks are actually huge Flash drives?

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Greegor

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