Naaaah! Just a poorly worded "Don't forward bias the ESD diodes". ...Jim Thompson
Naaaah! Just a poorly worded "Don't forward bias the ESD diodes". ...Jim Thompson
-- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et |
the gate of a FET to turn it on with 5V and turn it off shunting to 0V
or some tens of ns.
ide the 4053 IC to yield the same Rdson, so it should have the same robustn ess and same peak currents etc?
There are plenty of products made to handle surges like this http://www.ti. com/product/ts5a3159-q1 ,
ESD "diodes" aren't used on later versions. ...Jim Thompson
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What do they use instead?
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant
They're called "snap diodes", but they're not diodes... that's all I can reveal. ...Jim Thompson
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Okay, but how do they behave, if not like diodes?
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Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant
18kHz seems slow enough. However, the mfg would still have to bless that to make sure there won't be any local heating on the die which could gradually damage it. Usually they forward those questions to their IC designers.
You could add a resistor or bead which somewhat defeats the purpose because it slows switching.
This one has better switch current ratings and lower Rdson values but you can't use it at 5V:
I kept some really old databooks because they contain data on parts that are still available and used on hi-rel gear. Much more detail than found in "modern" datasheets.
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if it is anything like the 5V tolerant input on various MCU/FPGAs looks like it is a ~zener
-Lasse
That might cause weirdies. But you can put resistors into either/both of the inputs to a SPDT switch whose common drives a fet gate.
Or inductors even.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement
Like an SCR. ...Jim Thompson
-- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et |
Okay, so something like this then:
Good to know.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant
Digging a bit deeper, it seems that they're actually really low voltage avalanche transistors, which now rejoice in the name "snapback".
Funny how these things come round again and again. :)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
-- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant
This device I think is pretty much purely a one/few of those:
They show a BJT-boosted zener in the equivalent diagram, but that would run out of hFE (or need too much junction capacitance), unlike an avalanche or thyristor structure.
I haven't tested one to see if it latches, though.
Tim
-- Seven Transistor Labs, LLC Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design
-- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et |
"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...
It's not ESD diodes, it's a parasitic BJT structure. "The voltage drop across the bidirectional switch", i.e., between terminals Y (positive) and Z (negative), when both are within nominal common mode range (not touching the ESD diodes as such).
At least, that's what I gather from it. The diagram doesn't show an obvious B-E path (but then, why would they bother?). But there are plenty of NPN (and PNP) structures around just waiting for some charge injection to happen.
Tim
-- Seven Transistor Labs, LLC Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design
"Snap diode" was a traditional name for step-recovery diodes.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement
Sounds like a classic ESD SCR latchup blunder. There ought to be a law.
Lots of analog switches will sort of turn on in strange ways if the signal i/o swings past the rails. Most HC405x parts do. That's just turnon of the series fet switches, not an ESD diode problem, but it's almost as annoying.
-- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement
I remember that from 1982ish. I think "snapback" is the cool kids' lingo for these LV avalanche transistor things.
Of course since Jim's lips are sealed, we can tease him *ad lib*. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
*ad lip* >:-} ...Jim Thompson
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Does a transistor avalanche different from a zener... I'm thinking a B-C connection?
George H.
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