Looking for pulse-rated zener.

Hello - (hope this is the right place .. pardon the cross-post)...

I was recently asked to come up with a circuit for rapidly turning off a modest magnetic field (about 100 gauss) in a microsecond or less. Did a little math, some thinking, and came up with a Helmholtz coil pair that seems to do the right thing. Approximate inductance of the coil pair is

8 uH.

Turning the field off in under a microsecond was the difficult part.. but a hint in a reference suggested placing a zener across the inductors. This was tried with a much lower current (and a much lower field) and indications are that this will work. However...

Generating a 100 gauss field requires about 15 amperes. Turning off that field by circulating the current through a zener means the zener must (a) handle a pulse of 15 amps and (b) dissipate nearly 1 mJ in less than a microsecond. The repetition rate is once every 5 seconds, maybe a little faster if the research turns the frequency up.

I have found only one maker of pulse-rated zener diodes.. and while I was able to get a few as samples, now a small quantity is needed (

And you are too damn stupid to recognize the component as a oscillator module. The "U" designator is used this way by a lot of manufacturers since it is not a crystal, and at the design level it is just another chip.

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But, TVS, Transient Voltage Suppressors, are just pulse-rated zeners. No complex circuit is needed to use them with the MOSFET and coils.

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This is not too arduous a task. Look at 'zenamics' and similar - generally they are 'fast' zeners made for emc purposes. Why a zener and not a diode?

Failing availability of the pulse-rated zener, you can always use the more common TVS variety by reverse biasing to just below minimum withstanding voltage.

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You need 120 volts or so, so why not series a string of, say, ordinary

1-watt zeners? That spreads the power dissipation and reduces capacitance.

Zeners are pretty tough for short pulses.

Or how about just an r-c snubber? You're going to need something to kill the ringing anyhow. Roughly 30 ohms and 8 nF would overshoot to about 400 volts and be close to critically damped.

John

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"Mark Becker" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@stowetel.com... | Hello - (hope this is the right place .. pardon the cross-post)... | | I was recently asked to come up with a circuit for rapidly turning off a | modest magnetic field (about 100 gauss) in a microsecond or less. Did a | little math, some thinking, and came up with a Helmholtz coil pair that | seems to do the right thing. Approximate inductance of the coil pair is | 8 uH. | | Turning the field off in under a microsecond was the difficult part.. | but a hint in a reference suggested placing a zener across the | inductors. This was tried with a much lower current (and a much lower | field) and indications are that this will work. However... | | Generating a 100 gauss field requires about 15 amperes. Turning off | that field by circulating the current through a zener means the zener | must (a) handle a pulse of 15 amps and (b) dissipate nearly 1 mJ in less | than a microsecond. The repetition rate is once every 5 seconds, maybe | a little faster if the research turns the frequency up. | | I have found only one maker of pulse-rated zener diodes.. and while I | was able to get a few as samples, now a small quantity is needed (

Why a zener? Does that give you a constant energy/time graph? Why is that good?

The energy has to go someplace. Where else can you dump it? Can the coil itself take the heat? What if you use a traditional relay-damping diode? 15 A diodes are easy to get.

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One thing to consider: Allowing current to flow after the switch opens will mean that the magnetic field will continue to exist while it collapses, and if current continuse to flow,the magnetic field will reverse. Using a zener or equivalent across the coil as some kind of snubber would decrease the time that current flows during flyback time, but would allow current to flow when the polarity of the inductor reverses. In all cases the inductor will resonate with its own self-capacitance and other external capaacitances; the frequency and "Q" will change as shunt and/or series resistances change (zener conducting forward, zener conducting reverse, etc) making for a non-linear energy damping system. So, first you need to determine if it is OK to allow the magnetic field to reverse in polarity, and then determine the best way to dump or transfer the stored energy in that time while doing the best to ensure that energy dump / transfer does not continue after desired point (ie: magnetic field reversal). The stored energy can be dissipated in resistances (switching device losses, inductor resistance and resistors) as well as transferred into another inductor or a capacitor (which then is discharged at leisure).

1 mJ or 1 MJ? The former should be no challenge at all.

If you're content to just dissipate the energy at the end of each cycle, and it's only 1 mJ, then you can dump it into a Transorb. They amount to a sort of Zener which is designed for power absorption rather than for a nice sharp Zener knee. They are still available in lots of voltage ratings and you can string them together if you need higher voltages. [You didn't specify the voltage you needed.]

Otherwise, as someone else here implied, you can drive the coils with a partial H-bridge, and when you turn off the active transistors in the H-bridge the coil current will buck backwards into the power supply capacitors with a voltage drop equal to the PS voltage. If you want a faster cutoff than this you can add Transorbs into the buck leg so that the voltage is the sum of the PS voltage and the Transorb voltage(s).

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I think you are laboring under a misconception, here. The coil inductive voltage reverses the moment the current starts to decrease (V=L*(di/dt)), but the magnetic field polarity does not change till the current changes direction. Once the current passes through zero and the coil (and zener and switch) stray capacitance that is sitting at zener voltage starts to dump current into the coil as the capacitance discharges back toward zero volts, then the magnetic field polarity will also pass through zero and reverse.

look at TVS diodes. (Transient Voltage Diodes); they are designed to work very fast and clamp a good load.

i meant to say Transient Voltage Suppressers. i dont know where my head was at when i wrote that! :)

This is incorrect. The current goes "rapidly" to zero _after_ the flyback voltage pulse rises, during the flattish top...

John is correct, the current shouldn't reverse, excepting perhaps for a small amount of ringing. Perhaps, when you speak of mirror image, you're thinking of a reversal of the rate-of-change in the flyback coil current, rather than the current polarity, per se?

In the rapid magnetic-field collapse system we're talking about, using MOSFET or TVS avalanche to absorb the coil's energy, the avalanching junction will stop conducting the instant the current drops to zero (the physics of avalanche doesn't have any reverse- recovery time). There will be a small amount of current reversal (and ringing) due to discharging the system capacitance from the avalanche voltage level back to the supply V, but it'll be small compared to the 15A magnetizing current.

For example, a 34n20 FET's capacitance is 400pF at 150V, a 1.5kW 150V TVS is 100pF, and 1 meter of cable is another 100pF. The resonant frequency with 8uH will be 2.3MHz. The energy stored in 600pF of capacitance at 130V (assume Vs = 20V supply for the coil) pushes the inductor to a peak reversal of i = V sqrt(C/L) = 1.1A, and the voltage to +20V -130V = -110V after a T/2 time of 220ns, assuming nothing else in the path. However, the FET's intrinsic body diode and the TVS diode will prevent the voltage from going below ground, bringing things to a stop after only 130ns, limiting the ringing to the 20V supply Vs, and the peak reversal current to about -600mA, only 4% of the original 15A.

Since the magnitude is only 4% and it only lasts a few hundred ns, it's not useful to characterize this as "current reversal."

A 2pi f L = 100-ohm resistor paralleled with the inductor would nicely damp the 2.3MHz ringing, and reduce the magnitude of the single ring as well, to say 2%. It would need to be a 3W part, etc., unless a 0.01uF series capacitor was added to stop any DC current. We call this R-C network a snubber.

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Err... Take a look at the current and voltage waveforms in a flyback system. Turn on the switch, inductive current increases in the standard R/L form. When the switch is opened, the magnetic field starts to collapse; the waveform across the inductor is square-ish in most practical circuits. During that time, the current goes rapidly to zero as the flyback voltage pulse rises; roughly remains near zero at the flattish top, and then goes negative as the flyback voltage pulse drops to zero. However, the voltage would continue to decrease and go negative (L-C oscillations), but the switch (FET) internal diode conducts, allowing the coil current to continus to flow. The voltage pulse seen has the *same* polarity as the supply. In a standard flyback scheme, the negative current waveform is mirror-image of the ramp-like charging time. This remains to be a fairly close picture of operation waveforms, even if the core of the inductor saturates to some extent.