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Sep 26, 2024 Last reply: 1 year ago 75 Replies

One has to wonder why Cursitor Doom thinks that he knows. He isn't either. Repair technicians typically have to work out why a device isn't working, which is a process of forming hypotheses and testing them.

Designers tend to come up with hypotheses faster than repair technicians, so they don't test them as thoroughly, but they do tend to fix things faster.

At Cambridge Instruments the design engineers frequently got called in when some expensive production machine wasn't meeting its performance tests, and we frequently did well. We cost twice as much per hour as the technicians, but a million dollar machine sitting on the production line didn't make any money at all until we could ship it out.

Our chief engineer got shipped to America once to a machine that wasn't passing it's acceptance tests, and solve the problem instantly by recognising the ancient hydraulic lift that took him up to machine under test.

It had an associated magnetic field due to the big lump of iron involved and our machine was sensitive enough to the local magnetic field that the lift going up and down messed it up.

There are more jobs for good digital circuit designers than for good analog circuit designers these days, so the next generation has a wider choice of jobs.

Mixed signal people need to be both.

Yes, a repair technician has the great advantage knowing that the item at one point did work. Much more interesting/challenging is dealing with production line rejects - apart from the usual pcb hairlines, diodes wrong way, PNP for NPN etc my proudest moment was sleuthing a resistor network that was mislabelled at source, instead of having one common they were isolated, never used that vendor again and instigated goods inwards electrical test.

What makes you think that? The middle east is certainly crawling with peace envoys. The Russia/Ukraine situation is different, in that Putin has been getting away with murder for so long that he imagines that he can get what he wants by pure persistence. Sanctions are slowing him down a bit, but not enough.

It's not remotely obvious to anybody who doesn't have an obsession with grossly implausible conspiracy theories

Evolution is all about the survival of the fittest. Psychopathic dictators kill off other people, so those genes don't get selected out all that effectively.

Maybe not yet, but pretty soon AI will do it better than humans.

Yeah, they probably made mountains out of all the submerged land they reclaimed from their North Sea coast. Never forget they'd invented windmills centuries before they ever caught-on elsewhere as a solution to green energy. ;-)

Don't see how a simple quesion has enough information to generate a complex design.

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Why do we have garbage like Windows and Outlook if AI is available?

All very well til the levee breaks.

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Because garbage made money and closed source meant no-one else could laugh at the code.

If Windows is ever rewritten by AI then it's likely to be in a way which does whatever is necessary to make more money.

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Probably not. It could explore a solution space more thoroughly than a human, but it isn't clear that it could chose a solution space worth exploring.

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Windmills have been around for lot longer than the Netherlands. Wikipedia dates them back to 700 - 900 AD in Persia.

Take a modular approach until such time as the algos improve.

I haven't used either for very many years. Linux is *way* better in so many ways.

Ha! ha! Well said, Edward; spot on!

We could get AI to come up with something a little better than just another version of Windows, I'd imagine. ;-)

Outlook was always garbage. I currently set up emclient for anyone who wants an installable client which can handle many different email addresses. A Linux version of emclient would be nice but not likely to happen.

I use Windows 10 for daily work but Hyper-V has Windows xp and two debian servers. I don't use a Linux desktop, just putty for command line and winscp for file access. Just log in as root over SCP and use notepad++ to edit any file on the Linux system. I also have linux boxes running proxmox.

Depends on who trains it, and what they train it to do, and what they train it to be.

Well, so long as Bill Gates doesn't train it, it'll do just fine.

The BASIC interpreters were fine, but they were written in assembler and refined and refined for small memory footprint. This had the side effect of making them super efficient and about as bug free as you can get. They were also small enough that one person could understand all or nearly all of the code.

Problems started when multiple people started writing DOS in c. Programmers were now shielded from what the processor was actually doing so issues such as unchecked buffer in just about everything arose. I've no idea whether Gates himself ever wrote anything in c but I suspect he did not.

I wonder whether AI will eventually get smart enough to look at current code at assembler level and refine it in a similar way.

Should be a given. Compilers have been optimising higher level languages for *years* and without the use of AI.

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