kids these days

No senior projects?

Fortunately the electronics hobby is back. Hang out at the local hackerspace and see who the keeners are.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

"Keeners"??? N is nowhere near P on the qwerty. Is keener a new word?

Care to explain how the present day faculty is going to teach anything they can't do themselves???

'geezers' opens up an entirely new conundrum...

mike

• Meaning EE degrees are worthless, for practical purposes. Hire a burger flipper..

I've notice this in the last 10 years too.

Cheers

Den fredag den 13. december 2013 18.46.33 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:

When I was at uni some 15 years ago, every semester involved a ~5-6 man project, designing, building it, presentation and defense like a senior project

A third semester project would be something like a hifi amplifier, so at the end you would have come up with a schematic soldered up handfuls of transistors to to build a power amplifier, a few opamps for tone controls and have written a ~100 page report with every design equation/calculation and measurement on the hardware

hobby electronics is coming back, though the it seems a lot of it is stacking boards build by others and writing code to make the stuff talk together But I guess those that we used to transistor thought the same of those who started putting ICs together

-Lasse

Commonwealth for somebody who's keen on something, i.e. an enthusiast.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Huh, most don't know how to spell, can't read properly, struggle with math and expect high wages for doing nothing ! This youth is the next generation. I'm sure glad to be out of it now. Someone else can take the hassle...

He was making a substitution....someone you wanted to hire would be a 'keeper'. Humour by intentional typo.....

mike

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keen·er ?k?n?r/ noun noun: keener; plural noun: keeners 1. a person who keens for someone who has died. 2. Canadian informal a person who is who is extremely eager, zealous, or enthusiastic. "keeners who spent most of high school buried in homework"

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Phil Hobbs

Don't see it used much in US. The context was:

Hang out at the local hackerspace and see who the keeners are.

Isn't everyone at the local hackerspace a keener? Hacker has become synonymous with obsessed.

Like the previous generation was some kind of prize? I don't think so. Lots of useless scum-of-the-Earth types there. The only good thing about many of them is they're gone.

Electromagnetics and thermodynamics ended up being the two things I spend most of my time on.

At the Hackedojo there are some amazingly bright kids designing stuff. One 12 year old has started his own consulting company.

He's a really good kid, and he knows so much about design, manufacturing, and programming that it's scary. I asked him where a good place to get some boards made was and got a long dissertation about the trade-offs of different vendors in different countries.

Back in 60's I remember hearing the laments of 'senior' enginers about how recent graduates just don't have the fundamentals. At that time transistors were $10-$20 each, IC's just started at $100-$200 each [today's dollars? take times 20 at least!] Those 'components became our building blocks. Well, today we can lament how recent graduates' educations are missing fundamentals of how to design with 'our' components, but their components, their building blocks, are a bit more complex. Like iPod, cell-phones etc etc. you may note the individual costs of these 'components' are less in today's dollars than 'our' components were in 'our' day. And some of the products that come out ??!!! Wow! some defy description. Yet these 'successful' developers probably couldn't describe much of basics, including ohms law, indutance, capacitance, etc. But then again I can do that, but don't know much about ISP server dialogues, visual recognition systems, and 'effectively' building artifical intelligence pattern recognition - talking iPhone that views an object and tells a blind person what it is. All these challenges just seem to be just relative, ...sigh

Argghh, more robotics. Some Pic eval board or something, and some stepper drivers, probably copied from somewhere, and a lot of silly code.

It's really boring stuff

Not worthless. Some do embedded programming. There's good money there, if they're any good.

When I was in uni, some 40 years ago, the biggest teams were two, though usually they were individual projects. With 5-6 on a team it becomes impossible to find out who did what.

That's about all that can be done.

ICs were simpler than many of the circuits I did, though. ICs only had a couple of gates or opamps. ;-)