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If only Jim Thompson were as well-read as I am. He's never caught John Woodgate trying to pass off a quote from Thomas Love Peacock as if were a primitive Celtic song, but I have ...

You're such a liar, Slowman. Of course, you're a lefty so that's only expected of you.

Sadly, they're the best way.

The truth sometimes hurts, but it is still the truth.

You only show that you don't know the difference between reading and comprehension. It is interesting that you recognize the similarity between the two of you, though.

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oodgate trying to pass off a quote from Thomas Love Peacock as if were a pr imitive Celtic song, but I have ...

rehension. It is interesting that you recognize the similarity between th e two of you, though.

Your claim was "illiterate" which means "can't read at all, let alone compr ehend". You've just illustrated the shallowness of your own comprehension. And now you will tell me that I'm lying, which will be particularly amusing .

There are some similarities between me and Jim - we are both experts in our different fields of electronics, and haven't got much of a clue about what the other actually does, but we both can give useful advice from time to t ime, which isn't a skill that you've ever demonstrated here. I even gave Ji m a useful hint once - a long time ago.

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krw's grasp of "truth" and "lies" is idiosyncratic. He certainly doesn't us e either word - or the word "proof" - in the way the normal people do. My b est guess is that he sees them as emotionally loaded emphasisers that don't actually mean anything. For him, calling someone a "lying idiot" seems to have exactly the same information content as calling them a "bloody idiot".

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You certainly go out of your way to demonstrate your mental slowness

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BS > If only Jim Thompson were as well-read BS > as I am. He's never caught John Woodgate BS > trying to pass off a quote from Thomas BS > Love Peacock as if were a primitive BS > Celtic song, but I have ... Maybe that would impress somebody about how intelligent you are if this were a Celtic Literature Forensics Society. Outside of such rarified circles you're just a really insecure precocious misfit trying to brag yourself up using some obscure literary reference nobody cares about. It doesn't paint a flattering picture of your mental health or personality, Slowman.

Greegor wrote: G > They've known from the beginning that G > getting young healthy people to sign G > up is necessary for it to work. G > G > Now there are reports that in fact G > those people are busy repaying student G > loans, hoping to buy homes and G > would pay the 1% tax/fine rather G > than sign up. Joerg wrote: J > Not just students and young people. Lots J > of people in their 30's and 40's with J > incomes above the government subsidy J > threshold live paycheck to paycheck, J > along with some hefty five-digit credit J > card debt. They have about the financial J > "discipline" of our government which is J > what got them into this situation. Even J > if they were willing to plunk down $1k J > or more per month for a family plan, J > they can't. J > J > Those who do buy an Obamacare plan and J > are above the thresholds will soon J > discover that it's really only J > catastrophic coverage and that they must J > pay the first few thousand Dollars out J > of pocket. Dollars they ain't got. J > J > Imagine a guy picking up his son from J > the hospital after he turfed it badly J > on his skateboard. He was dumped out of J > his previous family plan despite Obama J > having promised they could keep it, so J > now he has an Obamacare bronze plan. J > "Sir, that'll be $786.43 please" J > ... "WHAT?!". J > This will happen before the next J > election and registered Democrats are J > not exempt from it. Obamacare seems to be riddled with various likely failure modes but so far it seems to me that the strongest contender is sticker shock for liberals themselves. I have serious doubts that this fiasco will cause liberals to embrace a single payer system or outright socialist medicine. How could the failure of this steaming pile make anybody want an even larger pile of the same? How could the broken promises make people want more broken promises?

Slowman, your grasp on "truth" and "lies" is no better than your grasp of AGW and economics; non-existent.

The most lucid post you've made in a long time.

You've just demonstrated your grasp of the English language. Again.

You're both obnoxious jerks; full of yourselves and willing to shout your limitations from the rooftops.

Counter argument; voters are easily bought.

They don't, because they see from examples like the systems in Canada or the UK that it can fail them during serious illnesses. For setting broken bones and stuff the single payer systems work well but when it comes to cancer mortality the picture is dark. People care about that, or will. Latest when it hits someone in their family.

When Obamacare implodes, what other choice than single payer is there? Since the "You can keep your insurance if you like it" promise was a big lie, it appears that much of the traditional American health care has already successfully been destroyed. Cancellation notices have already been sent out in droves, employer plans have been dumped by bucketloads. Or in engineering terms, we are past the point of no return.

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use either word - or the word "proof" - in the way the normal people do. M y best guess is that he sees them as emotionally loaded emphasisers that do n't actually mean anything. For him, calling someone a "lying idiot" seems to have exactly the same information content as calling them a "bloody idio t".

of AGW and economics; non-existent.

krw's grasp of reality is even weaker than Jim Thompson's, if that is possi ble. It would have to be measured in picoNewtons.

It did impress John Woodgate. The verse in question - "Mountain sheep are s weeter, but the valley sheep are fatter. We therefore deem it meeter to car ry off the latter" has enough currency that you don't have to have read Pea c*ck's "The Misfortunes of Elphin" to have come across it.

misfit.

It's difficult to be precocious at 70, and Peacock's novel was in English, and was in fact a satire on the UK electoral reform debate which culminated in the reform bill of 1832. Peacock was a close friend of Shelley, and his literary executor so he captures quite a bit of reflected glory, as well a s having his own charms.

ares about.

I was bit surprised that John Woodgate took it as seriously as he did - whi ch wasn't all that seriously - but it was obscure enough and literary enoug h to give the lie to krw's "illiterate"

y, Sloman.

You may not think so, but that's an area where you aren't any more likely t o be taken seriously than is krw.

The US system over-tests - primarily because of the malpractice insurance f arce.

This does give marginally better cancer survival rates. It's a dearly bough t advantage - the tests are expensive, and produce a lot of false positives which put a lot of patients through a lot of painful, expensive and unnece ssary extra tests to prove that they haven't got cancer.

The anti-Obamacare lobby make a lot of fuss about it, because it's the only area where US health care looks any better than the UK and Canadian system s. The Dutch, French and German systems are more expensive than the UK syst em because they have appreciably more spare capacity, and essentially offer the same level of care as the US system offers (to the fully insured) for about two thirds of the price per head of the US system. The UK system is a ppreciably cheaper, at half the price per head.

If they get lied to often and loudly enough.

Of course. Everybody gets a bit irrational when their nearest and dearest a re at risk, and many convince themselves that a better health care system c ould have saved their relative. It's mostly rubbish, but sincerely believed rubbish.

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our different fields of electronics, and haven't got much of a clue about w hat the other actually does, but we both can give useful advice from time t o time, which isn't a skill that you've ever demonstrated here. I even gave Jim a useful hint once - a long time ago.

limitations from the rooftops.

krw complaining about other people's limitations has a certain ironic charm . He's the nearest thing around here to a total nonenitity, distinguished o nly by the pathetic ineptitude of his efforts to be obnoxious.