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Den fredag den 1. november 2013 19.37.34 UTC+1 skrev snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com:

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e and pharmaceuticals and not the government regulations. PPACA has killed the insurance industry ripoff, healthcare and big pharma are next, so you b etter believe they are going to manipulate the ignorant into thinking this is the worst of the worst.

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is insurance companies bureaucracy to administer it and profit from it any better?

-Lasse

Profit motive along with _competition_ works best.

Most insurance companies were forbidden to operate across state lines.

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Sure it is. The classic example happened almost instantly, before Obamacare even opened. They spent a whopping $634 million on a web site that any private outfit could have successfully designed for less than $100M and ... it does not work!

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are and pharmaceuticals and not the government regulations. PPACA has kille d the insurance industry ripoff, healthcare and big pharma are next, so you better believe they are going to manipulate the ignorant into thinking thi s is the worst of the worst.

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doctors,

--Sowell

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big IT project have a tendency to get ridiculously expensive, I'm not sure big companies are much better at it than governments, they just don't go pu blic with it

but to put the 635M in perspective, in 2011 that would be around 6 weeks of profit for UnitedHealth Group

with that kind of money involved I'm sure they spend a lot in lobbying and contributions to avoid be cut out of the loop by a single payer system

-Lasse

big IT project have a tendency to get ridiculously expensive, I'm not sure big companies are much better at it than governments, they just don't go public with it

but to put the 635M in perspective, in 2011 that would be around 6 weeks of profit for UnitedHealth Group

with that kind of money involved I'm sure they spend a lot in lobbying and contributions to avoid be cut out of the loop by a single payer system

-Lasse

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So what you are saying is that United Health Group knows how to provide health care and obozo does not! Yep, got it.

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On Friday, November 1, 2013 2:52:01 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wr ote:

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are and pharmaceuticals and not the government regulations. PPACA has kille d the insurance industry ripoff, healthcare and big pharma are next, so you better believe they are going to manipulate the ignorant into thinking thi s is the worst of the worst.

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What you don't understand is that Obamacare has a government website, and a hub, a huge new department in every state, and something close to 160 new federal agencies, IN ADDITION to the existing insurance companies, which Obamacare subsidizes.

The exchange all by itself adds a 3% fee on top of the insurers' premiums. That's more overhead, not less.

Cheers, James Arthur

Of course in our system Obama doesn't have the power to "adopt" anything; he has to propose and pass it.

His big mistake was lying about it to get it passed, and to get himself re-elected. Now it's come back to bite him.

But yes, it was also a mistake to think that one party could steal peoples' plans and impose their will on a whole nation without repercussions. That they lied (and continue to) makes it all the worse.

Cheers, James Arthur

JA > Of course in our system Obama doesn't have the power to JA > "adopt" anything; he has to propose and pass it. The "Affordable Care Act (ACA) "Obamacare" allows wide ranging changes "promulgation" at the descretion of the Secretery of HHS Sebelius. Bills are passed into law, rules are "promulgated". It's a bit like having a whole array of Presidential "Czars" for various issues.

It most certainly does, they are allowed no more than 15% for costs other t han actual health care, and if they exceed that percentage they will owe th eir clients a rebate. That is the new law.

hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doct ors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it."

--Sowell

That's exactly the point of the PPACA, they ARE getting government out of t he health insurance business. If you pay attention, you will see that all t he PPACA is doing is regulating the industry, the private insurance compani es will be doing all the actual administration work. Representatives of the insurance industry who know the business inside out wrote the law!

than actual health care, and if they exceed that percentage they will owe their clients a rebate. That is the new law.

That's the "Minimum Loss Ratio" provision. It says for every dollar insurers spend, they get to keep 15 cents. Let's put on our thinking caps and ask "Okay, what's the insurer's incentive? What's the easiest way for him to make an extra 15 cents?"

If you said "Spend another dollar," you get a prize.

s, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for do ctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it. " --Sowell

the health insurance business. If you pay attention, you will see that all the PPACA is doing is regulating the industry, the private insurance compa nies will be doing all the actual administration work. Representatives of t he insurance industry who know the business inside out wrote the law!

The ACA doesn't get the government out of health insurance! Read section

1311 -- the feds now have to approve and inspect the FORMS you use. They control EVERYTHING.

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Cheers, 
James Arthur

They've known from the beginning that getting young healthy people to sign up is necessary for it to work. Now there are reports that in fact those people are busy repaying student loans, hoping to buy homes and would pay the 1% tax/fine rather than sign up.

Certainly. It's my CHIOCE, whether or not to pay the insurance company. Well, it was...

Big companies are much better. This would not have happened at IBM, it would not have happened at Facebook, or any reputable biz with major web site or cloud exposure. The best ones are usually smaller outfits.

Sure they do, it's natural. Plus single payer systems mostly don't work so well.

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Amazon, Google, and Youtube are just a few examples that show how wrong you are. Well, you've done a good job of showing that even Google can screw up a UI. The back room works pretty well, though.

If true, it's irrelevant.

You don't think insurance companies got their two pounds into Obamacare. You socialists really are naive.

I can't help it if you're as illiterate as Slowman.

You're worse than Larkin at attempted retorts. ...Jim Thompson

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er than actual health care, and if they exceed that percentage they will ow e their clients a rebate. That is the new law.

That's not the way it's going to work because the government specifies, and always has specified through NIH, treatment guidelines. Deviation from NIH treatment guidelines= malpractice liability, it has been this way for de cades now, it's nothing new.

ors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer i t." --Sowell

of the health insurance business. If you pay attention, you will see that a ll the PPACA is doing is regulating the industry, the private insurance com panies will be doing all the actual administration work. Representatives of the insurance industry who know the business inside out wrote the law!

Of course, that's the way it has to be, government control is synonymous wi th uniformity. This may come as a shock to you, but the insurance industry has wanted this for several decades now, they just couldn't justify it to t heir stockholders. But it does explain how the law was written so fast by i nsurance industry executive level insiders, they KNEW what had to be done, the government could NEVER have produced this legislation if they had a mil lion years.

Not just students and young people. Lots of people in their 30's and

40's with incomes above the government subsidy threshold live paycheck to paycheck, along with some hefty five-digit credit card debt. They have about the financial "discipline" of our government which is what got them into this situation. Even if they were willing to plunk down $1k or more per month for a family plan, they can't.

Those who do buy an Obamacare plan and are above the thresholds will soon discover that it's really only catastrophic coverage and that they must pay the first few thousand Dollars out of pocket. Dollars they ain't got.

Imagine a guy picking up his son from the hospital after he turfed it badly on his skateboard. He was dumped out of his previous family plan despite Obama having promised they could keep it, so now he has an Obamacare bronze plan. "Sir, that'll be $786.43 please" ... "WHAT?!". This will happen before the next election and registered Democrats are not exempt from it.

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ans will lose their ass in the 2014 mid-terms.

of shouting down any free speech they don't want to hear, are sufficient reason to dispose of state-funded universities... and "low information" vot ers.

Around here, Jim Thompson and krw have been shouting down any free speech t hey don't want to hear for years. It's odd that Jim resents the present cro p of college students for exercising the same lack of restraint.

ships... recipient qualification to be determined by examination only... no "equal opportunity" BS.

Sadly, examinations are a pretty poor way of selecting university entrants. Kids that do very well on examinations do tend to ace their university cou rse with 95% graduation rates, but for the bulk of the people who do well e nough to get into university only around half ever make it through to a deg ree, and the bottom 10% don't do all that much worse than the rest.

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