hot, bright noisy sparks needed

What could possibly go wrong?

dca > I would certainly not use it for high dca > voltages where failure is life threatening. G > The OP apparently intends to run this coax G > along a human body to project power beyond a hand. JD > What could possibly go wrong? -- John Devereux < cringe >

The magic smoke will come out of one or both components...

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 04:13:09 -0800 (PST), Greegor Gave us:

Depends on the brand and type.

So a blanket spec does not, nor can not apply.

But it does exist, nitwit.

dca > RG-8 is rated at 20,000 volts. G > Would you like to buy a good used bridge?

"RG-8 is rated at 5 kV RMS, however..." G > That's from YOUR OWN reference!

Nymbecile > Depends on the brand and type. Nymbecile > So a blanket spec does not, nor can not apply. Nymbecile > But it does exist, nitwit. Was dca.. another one of your nyms, Nymbecile? ROFL

On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 22:52:05 -0800 (PST), Greegor Gave us:

So you spiral wrap the thing with kapton or kynar tape, just like the wire maker boys do. It is not that long of a run, after all. Sheesh.

Horseshit. Sell it with a disclaimer required to be accepted before purchase or use.>

Yeah, dork boy. It gets used all the time. I made one at 50kV for LANL to look at nukes with, and it used a coax as a transport link.

It had a 6 inch stab on it that was inserted into a PVC tube filled with transistor insulator cream. That end point then made contact with the target node. The grounding portion looked just like the connector on the back of a CB radio. It simply was six inches further back than the hot side. That creates a simple, 100% reliable delivery medium for a specific window of HV source 'signal'.

The 400kV jobs are obviously not fed through a coax.

Now, we get a primer from the guru of nothing... We'll see.

Well, there is the insulation of the wire, and there are proximity issues with the nodes on each end. They either must be encapsulated or physically isolated from other potential pathways.

The designer chooses a wire which can insulate better than what he need to insulate from. The choice made is based on a couple of factors and is not simply a "50% greater than" thing. It depends on the application involved.

No mention of whether you refer to AC or DC? No mention of which matters more in this respect?

Ever see corona force an electron to bore a hole through teflon 60kV insulation with a mere 20kV excitation level? Not so much about losses as full term service life.

It is an attraction and a single packet of electrons. They have no place to go, so they sit on the insulation and the teflon (if that is the case) can actually 'cold flow' around them and allow the attraction to let them 'bore a hole', as it were.

Up to a point. After a certain value, full encapsulation of any exposed nodes would also be needed, and the 'rounding' of any protrusions of any nodes involved on the HV side.

You are nucking futz!

If you are working above 1kV, you should be potting circuitry.

Std TV anode wire, or the mil grade stuff. That per foot rating looks a couple decades out of date. And 60kV wire is cheap. Putting 15kV wire on a 15kV Neon sign is pretty dangerous.

Spark plug wire, dipshit. The old solid core type. The noise suppressing type also works, since it is merely a small dropping resistor.

You should not get so dumb as to give away the fact that you are merely spouting cut and paste crap from what you just hunted up.

I iterated one such use.

Your retarded web interface to Usenet is lame. Usenet line length is

72 characters, dumbfuck.

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 01:04:57 -0800 (PST), Greegor Gave us:

The unsafe point is the exposed node(s) at the end.

User should NOT link with the return side either.

I would do both arms and make it something you can grab someone with both hands with and give them the absolute shock of their life (or end of it).

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:16:40 +0000, Martin Brown Gave us:

Sometimes coupled with seismic events within the body of the component or even full catastrophic explosive destruction. Electron flows can do strange things within certain mediums.

I know a few people who should experiment with such a device, and few others who would make great volunteer test subjects.

On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:04:05 -0800, josephkk Gave us:

Of course. and... creepage considerations. Them dag nabbed creeps!

On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 11:16:40 +0000, Martin Brown Gave us:

The one for LANL was:

RG-8 ______ . | the clear looking dense stuff . |___________|_________ . | |________O

On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 10:03:41 -0800, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno Gave us:

Damnit, Janet!

On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 10:03:41 -0800, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno Gave us:

OK. Now try

It is referred to as a "plunge" or "poke" type connection, IIRC.

Nymbecile!

James? Hardly.

DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno == Nymbecile LOL

ASPERGER SYNDROME AND CRIME These review notes explore the question whether individuals diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome have a greater probability than typically-developing peer s of becoming involved in delinquent or criminal activity. The alternative perspective under consideration is that the characteristic traits and behaviours associated with Asperger Syndrome (such as poorly dev eloped theory of mind, or obsessionality, etc) may lead to a greater vulner ability to accusations of offending behaviour despite no criminal intent, e specially when there appears to be little regard for the effect of certain behaviours upon other people. M.J.Connor January 2008 Involvement in, or Suspicion of, Offending The review of available findings and observations by Allen et al (2007) set out to highlight evidence by which to support or refute the suggested asso ciation between Asperger Syndrome (AS) and offending against the law that h as become a subject for much debate. Reference is made, for example, to the work of Haskins and Silva (2006) who se initial research data indicated that people with AS are over-represented among the population of known offenders relative to their prevalence in th e general population. On the other hand, Howlin (2004) has argued that any association that is pe rceived between AS and crime is the result of a small number of cases which have given rise to much publicity and to (speculative) causal attributions in the media. Allen et al recognise how this kind of link may come to be perceived in tha t, in his original description, Asperger (1944) noted that some children ca rried out what could be defined as malicious acts either of an aggressive o r sexual nature without any apparent regard for the impact upon other peopl e. However, the question is raised about the actual intent or motive behind th ese and other offensive actions; and Howlin argues that significant underly ing factors include a reaction to a lack of social understanding of situati ons (or of being misunderstood by other people), the pursuit of some obsess ional interest, and a failure to anticipate consequences. There is also the possibility that the individual concerned would not have the capacity to avoid pressures from peers to engage in malicious or delinq uent activity. This view concerning problems in verbal and non-verbal communication, socia l understanding, and flexibility of thought or action has become commonly e xpressed; and reference is made to a number of factors which could explain why someone with AS may have an increased risk for offending behaviour ... viz ... An (innate) lack of concern for the outcomes of actions Impulsive behaviour which may be stimulated by an underlying anxiety Social immaturity, and a misinterpretation of ?friendships?, with a vul nerability to being led by others into inappropriate or illegal behaviour Misreading of social signals and a lack of knowledge of social rules which may underlie accusations of sexual misconduct Obsessional interests which may be reflected in behaviour such as stalking Failure to understand (formal) questioning and an over-frankness Resistance or limited motivation to change may underlie a persistence of in appropriate behaviours. It has been suggested (by Debbaudt 2002 among others) that certain types of illegal acts may have diagnostic significance and lead to the identificati on of previously unrecognised AS. These include an (obsessive) harassment of other people, hitting out for no observable reason, computer crime, and offences arising from misjudged personal relationships. Allen et al have also been able to identify a number of forensic case studi es which have provided illustrations of how the particular characteristics of AS may predispose the individuals to offending. Their summary indicates that there are three key types of offence that are consistently reported ... sexual offences, violent offences, and arson. Fr equently, there was a ready admission of the actions, with the reasonable i mplication that the offences themselves and the reactions afterwards reflec t central features of AS, namely preoccupations, self-centred ?logic?, interpersonal naiveté, and low empathy. However, the authors identify a problem applicable to a case study approach in that, when assessing the circumstances of some offence committed by a p erson identified with AS, it is virtually inevitable that there will be a f ocus upon aspects of this condition that can be linked to the offending beh aviour. There is a lack of evidence concerning variables that differentiat e among individuals with AS who have been involved in offending and those w ho have not. Just because someone with AS offends does not mean that this condition is a inevitable and universal risk factor for offending ... (and one is reminde d of the consistent finding that a number of risk factors, eg living in a h igh delinquency area, poor achievement at school, etc, may differentiate be tween groups of young people whose probability of offending are respective ly high and low, but such variables may be much less accurate in predicting the behaviour of a given individual). In respect of experimental studies, reference is made to the work of Baron- Cohen and Wheelwright (2004) who demonstrated that the capacity for empathy is indeed lower among individuals with AS than in the general population. However, while this limited empathy might be thought to be a risk factor fo r offending, it was further shown that the characteristic problems of inter preting the behaviour and feelings of other people are not associated with any wish to cause harm to those other people. When it was pointed out that their behaviour could be hurtful, this sample of individuals with AS offered expressions of regret, but they could not se e that their own actions were responsible for causing the hurt. In other words, there is support for the hypothesis that limited or absent theory of mind, (an inability to read the signals and reactions of other pe ople), coupled with unusual and repetitive interests, is significant for of fending behaviour among individuals with AS. As far as actual prevalence of offending behaviour is concerned, inconsiste nt findings emerge from existing studies. Tantam (2003) found that acts of violence towards others, such as lashing out, were common in an AS population; and there is a consensus among variou s studies that sexual offences, aggression, and arson are particularly prev alent. However, the problem with much of the evidence available for review by Alle n et al is that it is based upon very selective samples of people with AS, typically those attending specialist hospitals. It is consistently noted that there is an over-representation of such indiv iduals among the population of known offenders in these hospitals, but the question is raised whether this kind of statistic which applies to individu als who have committed serious offences, can be generalised to the overall AS population. There is the further possibility that the significant assoc iation is between offending and some co-morbid condition rather than with t he AS per se. The National Autistic Society (2004) presented the view that only a minorit y of people with AS become offenders and that there is no association betwe en autism and crime ... (although one might ponder whether autism and AS ar e comparable in this respect given that the individuals with AS are more li kely to work in mainstream settings and to be exposed to the behaviours and relationship patterns of a range of peers while seeking acceptance and rel ationships of their own and pursuing their particular interests and goals). The NAS further argues that the very rigidity of adherence to rules and rou tines would decrease the probability of law-breaking ... (although, again, one might ponder whether any literalness about rules, and a kind of tunnel- vision, may cause some interpersonal conflicts and increase the risk of mis understanding, anxiety, and reactive aggression). The present authors (Allen et al) highlight the continuing inconsistency of findings concerning whether offending is more or less prevalent in an AS p opulation than in the general population, complicated by methodological dif ferences between studies in terms, for example, of criteria for the diagnos is of AS among target samples and for defining the offending behaviours. Prevalence of offending appears lower in an AS population than in the gener al population when a whole range of types of offence is considered; but hig her in respect of aggressive behaviour such as criminal damage (perhaps att ributable to reactions to perceived victimisation). However, while offending may be a relatively low-frequency phenomenon among people with AS, it seems likely that those who do offend will experience m arked difficulties with the subsequent judicial processes, starting with th e arrest, any element of restraint, and with the questioning. Problems are likely in their remembering the sequences and timing of events , or in over-compliance to suggested interpretations of events; and their a pparent competence in (expressive) language may mask their particular vulne rabilities and anxieties. The implications include ensuring that staff working in the criminal justic e system are aware of the nature of Asperger Syndrome and ASD generally, an d of the particular profile of strengths and weaknesses in given individual s; that language used in investigating events is kept simple and unambiguou s; that approaches are not threatening; and that the individual is supporte d by a familiar person who has experience of working in the field of autism . Allen et al conclude by making a plea for ongoing research to study truly r epresentative samples of people with AS rather than those already involved with the judicial system in order to identify the similarities and differen ces between people with AS and controls in respect of the risk for offendin g; and to explore further the factors which differentiate offenders from no n-offenders within the overall AS population. It was noted by Allen et al (op.cit) that any association that may be perce ived, rightly or wrongly, between AS and offending will have been influence d by the dramatic or even sensational way in which certain cases have been reported in the media. A recent example concerned an 18 year old, diagnosed with AS and experienci ng the characteristic social and communication weaknesses (and, reportedly, associated bullying), who, during a party which had been particularly daun ting for him, responded to the teasing from a 10 year old girl by attacking her with fatal consequences. The young man was convicted, and, when sentencing him to a long prison term , the judge referred to the AS condition and his uncertainty whether the di sturbance of personality could be traced to the AS, but justified the sente nce by describing the young man as presenting considerable danger to young girls. A similar implication of some direct link between autism and violent crime was made in the trial of the man accused of the murder of a TV presenter in 1999, when specialist opinion highlighted a number of diagnosed conditions co-morbid in this man with no way of determining which condition or combin ation of conditions could be associated with the crime. (The conviction has now been declared unsafe, and a re-trial is to be held. ) The general moral is that the action (or alleged action) of one given indiv idual with his or her idiosyncratic profile of strengths and needs, and his tory of experiences, and which occurs in a particular setting and involves a particular set of circumstances, should not be regarded as typical of all the individuals who share a diagnostic label, especially one associated w ith a spectrum condition. The further moral appears to involve an early recognition of the condition, and the precise nature of the behavioural profile and symptoms, with a vie w to increasing awareness of the needs and strengths on the part of extende d family, peers, and relevant others, thus to minimise situations likely to evoke fight or flight reactions. In a conference presentation, Allen et al (2006) provided a summary of thei r general themes. First, they set out the possible predisposing factors among individuals wit h AS that could increase the probability of offending ... The lack of empathy, or lack of insight into the effects of behaviour; a de nial of their own responsibility Lack of awareness of likely outcomes, hence a willingness to initiate outco mes with unforeseen consequences Impulsiveness (perhaps linked to comorbid ADHD) Anxiety or even panic reactions which may be translated into aggressive act ions Naïve social awareness and misinterpretation of relationships leading to exploitation Misunderstanding of social and interactional conventions or rules Obsessions and preoccupations Resistance to changing behaviour. They go on to cite supportive evidence from other researchers to highlight this kind of commonality across cases, with deficient empathy typically see n as the most significant factor. While noting the relatively few individuals with AS identified among those of their sample known to have committed offences, they listed the commonly- cited precipitating events, as described by their sample of adults with AS, for the aggressive or destructive or otherwise offending actions. The percentage of respondents referring to particular circumstances were as follows : Social rejection 69% Bullying 50% Sexual rejection 50% Family conflict 50% Onset of additional mental health problems 31% Change of domicile 25% Change in the support arrangements 19% Bereavement 13% The point emphasised by these authors was that, in their survey covering a very large number of people, the actual incidence of crime among individual s identified with AS was low. On the basis of this kind of empirical evide nce, the team held that there is little support for any hypothesised associ ation between AS and criminal activity. This is not to belittle the impact of the offences that are committed, but the implication concerns how to interpret the actions. It is accepted that some of the behaviours associated with AS reflect a lack of communication, or misunderstandings, coupled with an inability to predict the outcomes; b ut whether the offending actions should be interpreted as having a knowing and criminal intent is questionable, with implications for determining how judicial and mental health systems should best respond in safeguarding the interests both of the individual and of the community. In a commentary on the presentation, Dr Tony Attwood held that it is import ant that such findings are given publicity in order to counter any view amo ng the general public that AS is a direct and common cause of anti-social o r threatening behaviour. Attwood shares the concern lest high profile cases where the central figure is identified with AS (or is believed, or claims, to be so-identified) wil l reinforce a false assumption that anyone validly diagnosed with AS may co mmit similar actions. This concern is justified given the reports in the national press (eg Brigh t 2005) that children and adolescents with developmental or psychological d ifficulties, including AS, are being unreasonably targeted for anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs). The examples, identified by the British Institute for Brain Injured Childre n, are given of a 15 year old boy with AS given an ASBO to counter his tend ency to stare over the neighbours? fence into their garden; and of anothe r 15 year old boy identified with Tourette Syndrome given an ASBO seeking t o stop his swearing in public ! In a further case, an ASBO was served upon a 13 year old girl with AS who h ad been swearing in the street (and where it turned out that there had been an angry altercation between her parents and the neighbours and she had be en copying the language used). The concept of ?zero tolerance? has been identified by staff at the ins titute as problematic if it is taken literally and involves unreasonable de mands upon some children and young people. The NAS has taken a similar line in expressing concern that the definition of anti-social behaviour is too vague. In particular, it is held that ? behaviour which causes or is likely to cause harassment, alarm, or distress ? could describe some of the core symptomatic behaviours of many individ uals with autism. One NAS initiative has involved a pilot programme in a number of UK schools to help young people with AS to become aware of the risk of crime and asso ciated issues, given that their social and communicative vulnerability will increase the risk of their being placed in dangerous situations. The programme is seeking to enhance social awareness in the target group an d to enable them to remain safe from exploitation or from (unwitting) invol vement in offending activities. One common area of potential offending is with the use of computers. AS is not a specific risk factor for hacking activities, but there has long been the concern (as expressed, among others, by Temple Grandin) that many individuals with ASD and AS are drawn to computer-based learning or recrea tion, and to jobs which utilise IT interests and skills, so that, without m onitoring and mentoring, there is a risk of a drift into hacking activities . It may well be, again, that there is no criminal intent but that the indivi duals who are identified as hacking into the systems of large organisations are motivated by the presenting challenge to their computing skills. There are no hard data concerning the actual incidence of this computer cri me among individuals with AS or ASD, but a small number of publicised cases may have allowed there to develop a belief (which may or may not be true) that such actions are more common among individuals with AS than among the general population. Therefore, while seeking to avoid inappropriate stereotyping, one might sti ll recognise (as noted by Baron-Cohen 2001 among others) the overlap of tra its of individuals with AS and of individuals prone to computer hacking. Ho wever, Baron-Cohen stresses that any link can only be speculative in the ab sence of any actual research evidence. Meanwhile, Szatmari is quoted in the same 2001 publication as dismissing an y such link arguing, instead, that individuals with AS tend to stick to rul es and routines almost to a fault. However, it is possible that, in addition to the ?abstract? intellectua l challenge involved, there may be some instances where the hacking is moti vated by a sense of injustice or by a claimed quest to identify poor securi ty. Whether this kind of action is more common among the AS population remains subject to debate ; and, presumably, there remains the possibility that it is more identified but not more prevalent among the AS group given their li kely frankness or lack of concealment about what they are doing. Finally, one can refer to the work of Bowen and Plimley (2007) who accept t hat individuals with ASD can be particularly vulnerable to becoming either victims or perpetrators of offending actions. They, too, highlight the characteristic problems with social communication and interaction, inflexibility, etc, which can lead to a misunderstanding o f their actions and reactions (including on the part of staff in the judici al system). The implication is not that individuals with ASD are more likely to commit some offence, but that they need help to stay safe and to avoid actions whi ch were not motivated by a criminal intent but which may be interpreted in that way. These authors go on to cite the comments of teachers experienced in working with young people with ASD to the effect that behaviours accepted and tole rated in childhood, such as outbursts of temper, pushing into people, touch ing, expressing highly personal comments or questions, etc, are not tolerat ed and may be interpreted very negatively during adolescence and into adult hood. It may also be the case that the young people can present as confrontationa l or provocative (which, presumably, may be the starting point for an escal ation of behaviour into more overtly aggressive interchanges); and they may also be persuaded into delinquent acts, such as petty theft or damage to p roperty, by peers. Their interviews with those young people who had experience of involvement with the police revealed the probability of mutual misunderstandings as a r esult of some or any of the characteristic aloofness, or apparent rudeness and insensitivity, or literalness, etc. Bowen and Plimley recommend providing individuals with ASD some kind of ide ntity card describing the presence and nature of the condition and presenti ng symptoms. This concept was described as being supported by their sample of young peop le (and their parents) who felt that behaviours could be open to misinterpr etation as deliberately provocative or dangerous or offensive when the real issues concerned communication problems, a lack of recognition of conseque nces, and stress in the face of uncertain or challenging situations leading to apparently aggressive actions. Social stories are also recommended as a means of teaching the individuals concerned about how to avoid those behaviours open to misinterpretation, su ch as being able to differentiate appropriate and inappropriate touching, s ocial rules, road safety etc. Further, the advice is for identifying ?triggers?, ie those events or experiences giving rise to idiosyncratic but negative reactions which may b e perceived as deliberately provocative or aggressive acts. * * * * * * As a conclusion, one might summarise much of the implication from the studi es reviewed as a matter of seeking fully to understand what lies behind and motivates the observable behaviour. If triggers are operating, one needs to be clear what they are ... seeking to gain the perception and to tap the experience of the individuals concerned as opposed to maintaining one?s own untested hypotheses about the sequence of events. This could be summarised as ensuring a functional assessment of behaviour . .. the precise antecedents, the intended purpose, the payback, etc ... wit h a view either to averting those circumstances which evoke the inappropria te behaviours or to identifying acceptable means of achieving the desired o utcome. Once more, the need is for identification of the needs as early as practica ble in order that the particular ?style? of the individual can be obser ved and increasingly appreciated over time with the opportunity to introduc e strategies to reduce maladaptive behaviours and reactions, and generally to increase appropriate day-to- day social functioning. Further, despite the high incidence of diagnosed cases of AS and ASD, it ap pears that the nature of these conditions remains unclear or confused among significant numbers either of the public, typically-developing peers, or o f professionals whose role may bring them into frequent contact with young people. The need is for ongoing efforts to raise awareness of the nature of AS and ASD, and the range of permutations of symptoms that may be observed among t he individuals so-identified, thus to increase an understanding of the need s and an avoidance of misinterpretations leading to inappropriate judicial disposals which may serve only to compound the needs. M.J.Connor January 2008 REFERENCES Allen D., Peckett H., Evans C., Hider A., Rees H., Hawkins S., and Morgan H . 2007 Asperger Syndrome and the criminal justice system. Good Autism P ractice 8(1) 35- 42 Allen D., Evans C., Hider A., and Peckett H. 2006 Asperger Syndrome and offending behaviour : exploring the links. Conference presentation - Auti sm Cymru, Cardiff. May 2006 Asperger H. 1944 Die Autistichen Psychpathen in Kindersalter. Archiv f ur Psychiatrie und Nevrenkrankenheiten 117 76-136 Baron-Cohen S. 2001 Cited in Zuckerman M. Hacker reminds some of Asperg er Syndrome. USA Today 29/3.01 Baron-Cohen S. and Wheelwright S. 2004 The empathy quotient. Journal o f Autism and Developmental Disorders 34(2) 163-175 Bowen M. and Plimley L. 2007 Keeping out of trouble. Special (July) 3

1-33 Bright M. 2005 Charity pleads for tolerance as autistic youngsters face ASBOs. The Observer (Home Affairs) : May 22nd 2005 Debbaudt D. 2002 Autism, Advocates, and Law Enforcement Professionals. London : Kingsley Haskins B. and Silva A. 2006 Asperger?s disorder and criminal behaviou r. Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law 34(3) 374- 384 Howlin P. 2004 Autism and Asperger Syndrome : Preparing for Adulthood. New York : Routledge National Autistic Society 2004 Autistic Spectrum Disorders and Involveme nt in the Criminal Justice System. London : NAS Satzmari P. 2001 (Also cited by Zuckerman M. op.cit) Tantam D. 2003 The challenge of adolescents and adults with Asperger Syn drome. Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America. 12 1 43-163 This article is reproduced by kind permission of the author. © Mike Connor 2007.

No question but dagmargoodboat DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno

You responded to dagmargoodboar AKA James Arthur/

On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:29:44 -0800 (PST), Greegor Gave us:

Greegor has a personal problem.

THE RETARDED LITTLE TWIT THINKS HE HAS ASPERGER'S.

YOU ARE FAR TOO STUPID, LITTLE BITCH.

ROFL