Fluorescent heating

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dissapate less heat, but still most of the energy consumed

radiate light - we just can't do it efficiently.

we are wasting so much energy. Flourescent lights

efficient at all, but much better then incadescent.

I'm not sure what the ratio is. Visible light itself is

Not yet.

Yes.

dissapate less heat, but still most of the energy consumed

radiate light - we just can't do it efficiently.

we are wasting so much energy. Flourescent lights

efficient at all, but much better then incadescent.

I'm not sure what the ratio is. Visible light itself is

Some white LEDs are pushing 160 lumen/watt now - at least if you believe Cree's press releases (they claimed 130 lumen/watt about 2 years ago).

LEDs capable of 90+ lumens/watt are starting to appear in consumer LED lighting some of the claims made are a bit optimistic eg

But there are very few fluorescents that can work as efficiently as that.

Consumer mass produced ones still lag a bit behind the best prototypes. Although for some coloured light sources like traffic lights and indicators LEDs can still come out ahead.

In answer to the original question a low pressure sodium lamp with the InO coating etched off the glass envelope would emit a pretty strong IR line source at very high efficiency (with a suitable low pass filter to stop the obvious visible yellow sodium D line escaping).

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dissapate less heat, but still most of the energy consumed

radiate light - we just can't do it efficiently.

that we are wasting so much energy. Flourescent lights

efficient at all, but much better then incadescent.

I'm not sure what the ratio is. Visible light itself is

High Lumen/watt is not all we need. The color temperature (Kelvin) and Color Rendering Index (CRI) are very important factors. Today I can't buy LEDs that have better efficiency than fluorescents with 2700K and >CRI90 for my home lighting.

The other important factors are longevity (LEDs are typically 50,000+ hr), ability to work in cold environments, and the true environmental costs of manufacturing and disposal. I think there are white LEDs with a wide range of color temperature, and those that use RGB can be adjusted to whatever you need. Earlier white LEDs used a phosphor coating that made them less efficient, while newer ones I think use the light output directly, perhaps from a cluster of component colors.

Also the power conversion from line voltage to LED current can approach

97%, while I doubt that most CFLs are much better than 90%, but I'm just guessing by how hot the base of CFLs are. I think there has been a major investment in CFL technology and manufacturing that causes resistance to switching over to LEDs, and the fact that CFLs need more frequent replacement is also a plus for those who want a continuing business.

Paul

This is my favorite

This tube is 20 years old now and still going strong. I can't find any LED that have this light quality. 2700K CRI95

Those don't look like 500mW to me - the "most powerful" one is 35mW according to the datasheet.

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It would be more efficient to heat ceramics with microwaves to get IR heating.

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I was looking at radiant intensity at 1 amp, but the actual radiant power is only 35 mW at 100 mA and 350 mW at 1 amp. But the duty cycle drops to only 5%, so the maximum continuous power appears to be only 35 mW. Certainly not enough for any practical heating application.

This one has 1.9 W/sr (210 mW actual radiant power), and 3.5 W input power, but I'm sure it costs a few dollars:

Paul

I think laser diodes have the best efficiency; checkout the high power ones

$37k for 15kW optical output :)

Seems to be 40% "efficient", seems to be actual energy efficiency but I am not certain.

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Every so often, I get inquiries about induction heating, from people who probably aren't well enough equipped (technically or mentally..) to tackle such an advanced project. So I always make it a point to find alternatives...

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"Boiling water."

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dissapate less heat, but still most of the energy consumed

radiate light - we just can't do it efficiently.

we are wasting so much energy. Flourescent lights

efficient at all, but much better then incadescent.

not sure what the ratio is. Visible light itself is

I have friends and coworkers that work in a test lab checking out various LED luminaries versus HPS and other technologies for lumen output and life versus electric input and cost. They are just recently becoming cost effective (in the simple form) and are already electrically more efficient at providing illumination.

dissapate less heat, but still most of the energy consumed

radiate light - we just can't do it efficiently.

that we are wasting so much energy. Flourescent lights

efficient at all, but much better then incadescent.

I'm not sure what the ratio is. Visible light itself is

You cannot buy fluorescent with a color temperature of 2700 K or a CRI

I challenge both the color temperature claim and the CRI claim, and especially the combination. 2700 K would be rather yellow-orange colored. Standard incandescent are around 3200 K color temperature and do not have over 90 CRI.

Is this comparison with the old style tube fluorescent or the new small compact? I suspect the old ones are more efficient.

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dissapate less heat, but still most of the energy consumed

radiate light - we just can't do it efficiently.

that we are wasting so much energy. Flourescent lights

very efficient at all, but much better then incadescent.

- I'm not sure what the ratio is. Visible light itself is

Yes I could here in Sweden. My favorite tubes are 2700K and CRI95. Here you can see one of them. I have 4 of them. Using them every night.

No. It's a very, very good combination. This tube I use now is perfect colored and have high CRI.

I'm searching for LEDs with the same color and CRI. Here in scandinavia we want warm light.

Maybe some halogen lights is 3200K. I can't use 3200 K color temperature LEDs. I have 3 LEDs now for testing in my home

and I don't like them because they are too blue. When I dim this LED it's going more blue!

Incandescent normally have high CRI, over 95.

I already know about that. I don't want to make photos here. I only want to continue the same comfortable light as with incandescent.

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Thanks, Rich