I have an application where I'm looking for a low input voltage offset op-amp. I'd like 100uV or so typical and don't want to pay much. Lowish input current is desirable too.
Speed isn't an issue, nor is very low noise or single supply operation. In fact I *want* to run it off +/- 17V.
It's not an area I'm intimately familiar with.
Anyone got any suggestions ? Low cost remember !
Cheers, Graham
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What do you mean by single supply ? An 082 ( in fact any op-amp ) can beused...
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bill.sloman
Sounds like a job for an auto-zeroing op amp. Linear Technology have been making them for many years, though National Semiconductor and Analog Devices also introduced useful products some years ago.
+/-17V is a bit high for this sort of amplifier - the Linear Technology LTC1150 is the only one I know of that comes close, with a maximum supply voltage of +/-16V. It isn't cheap - at about $5 in small quantities, while the lower supply voltage parts come in under a dollar. and the input currents aren't all that low, at around a nanoamp, while the lower supply voltage parts claim tens of picoamps, but the input offset voltage is 0.5uV typical, +/-10uV worst case.
------------ Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Winfield Hill
Snork!
Thanks,
- Win
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Winfield Hill
If you wish, but it'd be better to discuss your application and circuit, to see why you need 0.1mV, and if there's a workaround that'll allow you to use cheaper opamps.
Thanks,
- Win
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Winfield Hill
TI's OP07DD, 60uV typ, 32.5 cents qty 2500, not bad, good call Spef!
Thanks,
- Win
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Spehro Pefhany
There's no contest, use an OP-07D
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John Larkin
Is that term in the Dictionary of Electronics?
John
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Pooh Bear
That's > 10x what I want to pay ! I could live with 100kHz GBWP - lol !
My idea of low cost is around 15 cents per dual op-amp in quantity !
Graham
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Bernhard.Kramer
Pooh Bear a écrit :
One of my favourite opamps is the OPA227. It has an offset of < 75 uV, is reasonable fast (8MHz, 2 V/us Slew Rate, but the OPA228 is faster), and runs off +/- 18 V max. It's a low cost opamp with good characteristics, IMHO. But look out for its input bias, it is around 10 or 100 nA.
Best, Bernhard
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Pooh Bear
That's consumer product for you !
You want to see an itemised BOM ?
Graham
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Jim Thompson
Bill? Did I miss an actual technical contribution by Sloman ?:-)
I love auto-zeroing.
Once upon a time, I even built a micro-voltmeter, using LM324's, to measure voltage drop on PCB tracks, to locate shorts.
Zero, measure, zero, measure....
...Jim Thompson
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Jim Thompson
Ah, yes. DC restorers. I grew up in a radio/TV repair shop ;-)
I used 'HC4016's to do the work. Actually left out a step above, should be...
Zero, measure, hold, zero, measure, hold....
With non-overlap between each, to keep caps from getting tweaked.
...Jim Thompson
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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John Larkin
Double-emitter choppers.
John
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Jim Thompson
You're showing your age, John. And they weren't all that wonderful... CMOS is MUCH better.
...Jim Thompson
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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John Larkin
Varicap parametric bridges.
John
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Jim Thompson
What did they call the big-ass ones.
I vaguely remember using some kind of varactor to triple me up to the
2 meter band. (5W :)
...Jim Thompson
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Rich Grise
It's an onomatopoeia, so probably not.
I think "bang-bang" might be, however. ;-)
Cheers! Rich
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Rich Grise
Jim, are you mellowing out in your old age? ;-)
You built stuff? I thought all you did was ideate and simulate. ;-) Oh, right - at our age, we don't have time for all that trimming and crap, right? ;-)
Cheers! Rich
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John Larkin
Burr-Brown did a very impressive potted-brick opamp using modulated varicaps in the front end; CMRR was about infinite, as the entire input circuit was transformer-coupled. I think Bob Pease did an article on it. I seem to recall that TI did a monolithic varicap opamp at some point... I may have a datasheet in The Dungeon.
Paramps are cool. Somebody did a paper on using ceramics caps as active gain elements, and I have a paper on making nonlinear transmission lines (shock lines) using the nonlinearity of ceramic caps.
Just because I know about this stuff doesn't mean I'm old enough to have experienced it all first-hand.
John
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Jim Thompson
[snip]
Yes it do ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson
Reminds me when we first met the daughter-in-law's family.
My son, bride-to-be and her mother show up in the bride's Honda Civic.
They say that father is on the way.
All of a sudden the house is shaking, and this crazy, hippy-looking guy, with a bandanna, comes up the hill on a Harley chopper... so loud that all the neighbors pour out of their houses.
It's the father-of-the-bride. Turns out he's a big-time dealer in Harley parts in LA (now moved to Palm Springs).
Then he took off the bandanna... it had a velcro closure. I gave him a ration of s*it for lack of authenticity ;-)
...Jim Thompson
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC\'s and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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